***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Without question.

And you've devalued the dollar significantly in the process.

Side effects may not justify the cure on this one. This is an EXTREME measure and if that's the direction they go, they had better have some really good ****ing science that says "we do this or several million people WILL die..."

Not might die, but will. This isn't the thing you do to pre-emptively address a calamity, it's something you do to avoid an imminent one. This will fundamentally alter this nation and perhaps permanently.

If there's a way to do ANYTHING other than this, then you cannot do this. I'm truly floored by the transformation of our economy proposed in that legislation.

I just don't see a scenario where over 50% of the population isn't totally reliant on government assistance to provide for all of their living expenses.

There's no way "we" come back from this.

[Donger]

On the plus side, what are gasoline prices like for fellow CPers? Anyone below $2.00 yet?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Donger

On the plus side, what are gasoline prices like for fellow CPers? Anyone below $2.00 yet?

1.89 here

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Donger

On the plus side, what are gasoline prices like for fellow CPers? Anyone below $2.00 yet?

Yep it was $1.75 here in MO where I live

[rydogg58]

Originally Posted by Donger

On the plus side, what are gasoline prices like for fellow CPers? Anyone below $2.00 yet?

Filled up at Sams Club pumps 2 nights ago for $1.84 a gallon. Cheapest it's been around here for a long time.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Donger

On the plus side, what are gasoline prices like for fellow CPers? Anyone below $2.00 yet?

Dunno. Nowhere to drive.

[PAChiefsGuy]

You guys are lucky 2.37 in PA yesteday

[backinblack]

Originally Posted by Donger

On the plus side, what are gasoline prices like for fellow CPers? Anyone below $2.00 yet?

Just under $2.50 here, but they do appear to be dropping. About a week ago they were around $2.60.

Looking it up on Gas Buddy stations near where I used to live in Virginia Beach are between $1.80 and $1.90. Maybe I should still be living there...

[Monticore]

0.95$ litre up here.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Overall, I don't think media is doing a bad job at all. It is not their fault people are freaking out. I mean you say they are doom and gloom -- well there really isn't much good news to report. What do you want them to say? That the virus isn't spreading?

Well the premise is that is their fault because they do make everything political and black and white with the narrative depending on their affiliation. I think everyone sees that but so many people still accept these messages because it’s much easier and more comforting to hear things in line with what you want to hear than it is to question your own beliefs.

Also, there is plenty of good news coming in the past week regarding treatments. You just have to look through this thread. I haven’t noticed any of those links or breaking news stories being from a prominent news organization or an article being written about them from the typical big outlets. There is some huge potentially advancements and results coming out every day. They should be plastered everywhere.

[IUsedToBeATightEnd]

Originally Posted by O.city

HUGE: Plotting where Malaria drugs (chloroquine) are used vs. Coronavirus infections shows a strong inverse correlation. Where these drugs are used, there's virtually NO Covid-19 infections.https://t.co/vqGHvxj7Vq pic.twitter.com/SucFpWEnll

— Watts Up With That (@wattsupwiththat) March 18, 2020

This was in DC, thought it was very interesting.

Including 3rd world countries in statistics makes no sense at all.
Wonder how many people has been tested in Africa.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by O.city

HUGE: Plotting where Malaria drugs (chloroquine) are used vs. Coronavirus infections shows a strong inverse correlation. Where these drugs are used, there's virtually NO Covid-19 infections.https://t.co/vqGHvxj7Vq pic.twitter.com/SucFpWEnll

— Watts Up With That (@wattsupwiththat) March 18, 2020

This was in DC, thought it was very interesting.

Keep seeing this in places like this. How is it not the lead story on every news site?

[wazu]

Originally Posted by IUsedToBeATightEnd

Including 3rd world countries in statistics makes no sense at all.

Did you click on the article?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Well the premise is that is their fault because they do make everything political and black and white with the narrative depending on their affiliation. I think everyone sees that but so many people still accept these messages because it’s much easier and more comforting to hear things in line with what you want to hear than it is to question your own beliefs.

Also, there is plenty of good news coming in the past week regarding treatments. You just have to look through this thread. I haven’t noticed any of those links or breaking news stories being from a prominent news organization or an article being written about them from the typical big outlets. There is some huge potentially advancements and results coming out every day. They should be plastered everywhere.

Tucker Carlson had the guy from Johns Hopkins on last night running the story.

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by Donger

On the plus side, what are gasoline prices like for fellow CPers? Anyone below $2.00 yet?

Was down to $1.89 yesterday