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07-05-2023, 11:09 PM | #64096 | |
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The changes that actually matter to this conversation have only been around under 15 years. Plenty of QBs like Warner and Favre did most of their damage in the NFL that was basically the same as Elway's NFL. He's a HOF QB. But he's not on the QB Mt. Rushmore. Not even ****ing close. |
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07-05-2023, 11:12 PM | #64097 | |
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I'm just saying that despite whatever shortcomings people believe Elway had (25 years later) or the coaching, etc... when he retired, there were only 1-2 guys that were right up there with him. Longevity stats - people tend to pick and choose when they use them. My comment is that when he retired, compared to all those that came before him, he was consistently a top threat. I know there were many around here in '99 that were happy to see him gone. The game continues to change. The 80s/90s were much different than the 60s/70s, it happens. We are at a point now where there are probably quite a few posters on this board that never saw him, Marino, Moon, etc play. Look at a lot of those leaders boards now and there are few that I would want as a QB in his prime leading a team over Elway. You can be a Rivers, Ryan, etc kind of QB with longevity and nice stats, but they were never known as clutch. Reeves was a very conservative guy, hell as soon as he left, just look at the production in the Phillips and Shanahan years... totally different than Reeves. Mahomes is a generational talent and he could very well knock Brady from the top of Lombardi Mountain. |
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07-05-2023, 11:14 PM | #64098 | |
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07-05-2023, 11:25 PM | #64099 |
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Forget the different eras in the NFL. Elway was never a 1st or 2nd team all-pro.
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07-05-2023, 11:31 PM | #64100 | |
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Whatever, man. You're gonna tell me Warner's incredible 1999 season was in this brave new era that Elway never got to experience? Marino? Young? Again, Favre? Hell, ever look up Len Dawson's stats? He had two seasons with more TD passes than Elway's best season. You would have been better off going down Garcia's path of, "Only people who saw him play will know how good he was because of the eye test. And if you disagree you're an idiot." |
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07-06-2023, 06:37 AM | #64101 | |
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07-06-2023, 06:42 AM | #64103 |
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Favre was an absolute blast to watch, but he's not in the same realm as Manning for the Colts.
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07-06-2023, 10:25 AM | #64109 | |
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07-06-2023, 10:40 AM | #64110 |
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