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10-16-2023, 01:12 PM | #6301 |
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
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Veach was right about Frank Clark, eh?
Sure thing, sport. He called him a DPOY caliber player. He gave up that kind of trade capital and then paid him like same. He couldn't have been more wrong about the guy. |
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10-16-2023, 01:13 PM | #6302 |
The man you could post like.
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Oh, he took it way farther than saying Veach should be fired. IIRC He put him on the same tier as Grigson, arguably the worst GM of the modern era.
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10-16-2023, 01:15 PM | #6303 | |
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10-16-2023, 01:18 PM | #6304 |
The man you could post like.
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And to be fair to DJLN, I'm pretty sure a vast, vast majority of us hated that trade when it was made. He was just more vociferous in voicing his displeasure
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10-16-2023, 01:25 PM | #6305 | |
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Injuries? Who knows but he was a different player once he got the big $$$$ here. |
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10-16-2023, 01:26 PM | #6306 | |
Special Teams ACE!!!
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IS IT the final time? Because something tells me the Shart fans will pound the table next offseason/regular season as well demanding we bring back Shart on the cheap. This isn’t going to end here and you know it. And there’s such a thing as moving on |
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10-16-2023, 01:37 PM | #6307 |
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Idk. What I do know is I trust Brett Veach. If he brings him back then I'm fine with it
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10-16-2023, 01:42 PM | #6308 |
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Excellent Bart plan to let him go to Donkeyland, take less, get cut, wait until no one else signs him and then come back home for less… His presence makes Jones happier.
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10-16-2023, 01:48 PM | #6309 |
Going home eventually
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Feels like it's not happening and that's fine as well. Veach knows best.
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10-16-2023, 02:02 PM | #6310 | |
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
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Spoiler!
And would you not also say that Veach does things quite a bit differently than he did that off-season? I've said several times over the years that Veach has really done an outstanding job growing into the role and developing a long-term lens that should allow us to continue to compete as Mahomes gets more expensive. He couldn't continue doing what he did there. You may also recall that my first thoughts upon hearing about the trade were "I'm drunk on a beach in Mexico, but..." I get to cite the exacerbating effects of alcohol on rage posting. Did I overreact? Yeah - I didn't leave open the possibility that Veach would demonstrate strengths in other areas (or that Mahomes would be an absolute God) sufficient to overcome some substantial errors and a steep learning curve as Valanche found his way forward in the new gig. But was the Clark trade and extension absolutely awful? Yes, yes it was. Always has been, always will be. Extending his time here doesn't change that. |
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10-16-2023, 02:05 PM | #6311 |
Why so serious?
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10-16-2023, 02:17 PM | #6312 | |
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Hopefully Rice breaks his drought at WR. Because once he plugs that hole, he's pretty damn ironclad. |
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10-16-2023, 02:24 PM | #6313 | |
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He's not anxious to fall victim to a simple post hoc fallacy. He's not going to say "I signed Clark, we won a Super Bowl, therefore we won a Super Bowl BECAUSE I signed Frank Clark..." He recognizes Clark didn't work out. He recognizes that Hitchens didn't work out. That Mathieu was probably something of a wash (though he really was quite good here for 2 of his 3 years). That Watkins didn't really work out. Oh sure, each guy had a moment or two, but that's not how roster building works. You can't say "see, he did a thing! All is forgiven!" because these are professional football players - good god almighty I would hope they wouldn't get face-****ed EVERY snap. Veach learned from those early mistakes and has developed a far better approach. He's just a lot more calculating across the board than he was then. |
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10-16-2023, 03:01 PM | #6314 | |
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10-16-2023, 03:06 PM | #6315 |
I'll be back.
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Frank Clark and Sammy Watkins, two of the greatest playoff performers in franchise history, DIDN'T WORK OUT?
The Return of The Shark is making DJLN eat stupid pills. |
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