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Old 09-22-2023, 03:52 PM  
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Nick Bolton & Richie James are designated as OUT of the Bears game


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Old 09-23-2023, 01:41 AM   #46
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If the best option for ST is Justin Watson fair-catching ST kicks, then why TF is Toub still employed?
Can anyone point me to any math of the expected points gained per punt return for a fair catch, a return and a not even fielded punt? If it causes a turnover every 5%-7% of plays I dont get why teams try to return it. Thesedays almost nobody is doing a good job of getting alot of yards on punt returns. Special teams coverage is more solved than ever. I feel like unless you are behind in a football game the strategy may be to not even have someone field the thing but Ive never seen math done. Not just rhe avg return...it needs to take into account the turnover rate as well.
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Old 09-23-2023, 03:13 AM   #47
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Having Bolton out would be a huge loss against any semi-decent team. But the bears aren't semi-decent or even semi-dogshit. They were the worst team I had the displeasure of watching last year and not much has changed. They are shite. Plus their city is a shite hole. I hope any chiefs travelling to Chicago get out of there safely.
I also pray for any Chiefs traveling to Chicago, since they would miss the game they are playing in Kansas City.
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Old 09-23-2023, 03:34 AM   #48
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Can anyone point me to any math of the expected points gained per punt return for a fair catch, a return and a not even fielded punt? If it causes a turnover every 5%-7% of plays I dont get why teams try to return it. Thesedays almost nobody is doing a good job of getting alot of yards on punt returns. Special teams coverage is more solved than ever. I feel like unless you are behind in a football game the strategy may be to not even have someone field the thing but Ive never seen math done. Not just rhe avg return...it needs to take into account the turnover rate as well.
I can't provide the math.

What I can provide is the observation that our special teams is, indeed, special, and Toub needs to be held accountable.
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Old 09-23-2023, 05:15 AM   #49
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I also pray for any Chiefs traveling to Chicago, since they would miss the game they are playing in Kansas City.
Beat me to it...
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Old 09-23-2023, 06:15 AM   #50
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Old 09-23-2023, 06:34 AM   #51
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Can anyone point me to any math of the expected points gained per punt return for a fair catch, a return and a not even fielded punt? If it causes a turnover every 5%-7% of plays I dont get why teams try to return it. Thesedays almost nobody is doing a good job of getting alot of yards on punt returns. Special teams coverage is more solved than ever. I feel like unless you are behind in a football game the strategy may be to not even have someone field the thing but Ive never seen math done. Not just rhe avg return...it needs to take into account the turnover rate as well.
From what I could find, historically you have about a 1.5% chance of losing a fumbled punt. So on average you probably lose 1-2 a year, which seems about right. I don't have the math in front of me, but I imagine the loss of yards by never attempting to catch a ball would outweigh 1-2 possessions a year, especially inside the 20.
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Old 09-23-2023, 09:41 AM   #52
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Old 09-23-2023, 11:00 AM   #54
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Can't believe it took this long for an injury thread. Toney has a chance of missing. Pacheco and Willie Gay are probably good to go.
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Old 09-23-2023, 11:01 AM   #55
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From what I could find, historically you have about a 1.5% chance of losing a fumbled punt. So on average you probably lose 1-2 a year, which seems about right. I don't have the math in front of me, but I imagine the loss of yards by never attempting to catch a ball would outweigh 1-2 possessions a year, especially inside the 20.
Or the practice from fielding punts allows a team to a have a chance to actually make a big play when needed. Does this team go to the suoerbowl without skyy Moore's punt return? Yeah it cost us the indy game but it was important foe the postseason. Just another perspective...
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Anyone remotely dinged should use this as a bye week. The Bears are a dumpster fire of the highest order. Starters are sitting mid third quarter in this one.
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From what I could find, historically you have about a 1.5% chance of losing a fumbled punt. So on average you probably lose 1-2 a year, which seems about right. I don't have the math in front of me, but I imagine the loss of yards by never attempting to catch a ball would outweigh 1-2 possessions a year, especially inside the 20.
If you never attempted to even catch the ball, punters would start punting so the ball would roll and you would get 70 yard punts with rolls.

Or if the punting team was closer, you would end up pinned on your own 1 or 2 yard line.
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Old 09-23-2023, 01:19 PM   #58
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Old 09-23-2023, 01:21 PM   #59
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Can't believe it took this long for an injury thread. Toney has a chance of missing. Pacheco and Willie Gay are probably good to go.

I'll be surprised when Toney is 100% and makes it to a consecutive game.
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Anyone remotely dinged should use this as a bye week. The Bears are a dumpster fire of the highest order. Starters are sitting mid third quarter in this one.
You were 100% certain the Chiefs would beat the Lions. Are you 150% sure on this one?
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