Grizzly Bear vs. Gorilla

[Fish]

Unless you could train the gorilla to use weapons, it probably wouldn't have much of a chance. Gorillas don't hunt for most of their food, they forage. Meanwhile, grizzlies are just straight up murder machines 100% of the time. Being a full time active predator is going to give the grizzly a huge advantage.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Fish

Unless you could train the gorilla to use weapons, it probably wouldn't have much of a chance. Gorillas don't hunt for most of their food, they forage. Meanwhile, grizzlies are just straight up murder machines 100% of the time. Being a full time active predator is going to give the grizzly a huge advantage.

Actually, don't grizzlies eat a lot of plants? When I did my bear tour in Alaska, they were wandering around eating grass, and I remember that they go crazy for berries.

And in Alaska a lot of their murdering is salmon, which isn't exactly a fair fight.

I wonder what proportion of a bear's diet is large prey.

Hmm, looking at a few links, it appears that it varies by location, but most grizzly-type bears get a majority of their calories from plants. Kodiak bears are a bit of an exception because they hit the salmon sushi bar hard. But I'm sure they're murder machines 24/7 even if they prefer the salad bar sometimes.

[suzzer99]

Here's two silverbacks fighting: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/ne...zookeeper.html

They're pretty light on their feet. They might be able to bob and weave on the bear. Maybe they'd be smart enough to go for the bear's eyes. That or try to rip its jaw apart.

Again, assuming similar weights. No way a gorilla stands a chance vs. a 1,000 lb grizzly.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Here's two silverbacks fighting: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/ne...zookeeper.html

They're pretty light on their feet. They might be able to bob and weave on the bear. Maybe they'd be smart enough to go for the bear's eyes. That or try to rip its jaw apart.

Again, assuming similar weights. No way a gorilla stands a chance vs. a 1,000 lb grizzly.

They’ll do none of that. They’re 400 pounds of testosterone-driven muscle. Nothing more.

Look at how they fight. They just try to brute force dominate their opponent. Imagine trying that with an 800-pound Grizzly, that also happens to have a mouth full of sharp teeth and five 6-inch claws on each paw.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

They’ll do none of that. They’re 400 pounds of testosterone-driven muscle. Nothing more.

Look at how they fight. They just try to brute force dominate their opponent. Imagine trying that with an 800-pound Grizzly, that also happens to have a mouth full of sharp teeth and five 6-inch claws on each paw.

Again, 800 lb grizzly vs. 400 lb gorilla is no contest. I'm just saying same weight could be a battle.

[alanm]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Here's two silverbacks fighting: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/ne...zookeeper.html

They're pretty light on their feet. They might be able to bob and weave on the bear. Maybe they'd be smart enough to go for the bear's eyes. That or try to rip its jaw apart.

Again, assuming similar weights. No way a gorilla stands a chance vs. a 1,000 lb grizzly.

That was a slap fight. Griz would just laugh it off.

[ThaVirus]

Think about how soft a gorilla’s skin is compared to a Grizzly’s as well. What’s that flesh gonna do when it gets raked by the bear’s claws and teeth? Even if it was a close fight, which it wouldn’t be, the gorilla would bleed out long before the Grizzly. The silverback would look like hamburger meat.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Think about how soft a gorilla’s skin is compared to a Grizzly’s as well.

Are you suggesting that Gorillas moisturize daily?

[ThaVirus]

Gorillas have been reported to be preyed upon by leopards. Leopards weigh like 200 pounds.

Grizzlies hunt moose. Have you ever seen a ****ing moose? They weigh like 1,000-1,500 pounds.

I don’t think it’s an exaggeration when I say one swipe of the bear’s paw would crush the gorilla’s skull into gravel.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Gorillas have been reported to be preyed upon by leopards. Leopards weigh like 200 pounds.

This is why we really need to define our terms. Sure, a leopard might prey upon a small female or young male. But it's assumed we're talking about 400+ lb silverbacks in this hypothetical fight.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Again, 800 lb grizzly vs. 400 lb gorilla is no contest. I'm just saying same weight could be a battle.

I see now that you had the similar weight qualifier.

Shit, even assuming they’re the same weight, I’m taking the bear. Gorillas are peaceful creatures.

Originally Posted by suzzer99

This is why we really need to define our terms. Sure, a leopard might prey upon a small female or young male. But it's assumed we're talking about 400+ lb silverbacks in this hypothetical fight.

Yeah, it is slightly controversial because we don’t have video proof either way due to the fact that it’s difficult to follow in the dense jungles; but there are definitely many reports of leopard killing adult male gorillas in the wild. So far, the only case I can find of a male gorilla killing a leopard was one instance in which the gorilla and leopard both died of their battle wounds.

To give gorillas more credit, I will concede the fact that this evidence isn’t conclusive regardless given the fact that leopards are ambush predators. They’re more likely to attack an adult male gorilla while he sleeps in the dark, which isn’t a fair fight.

Still, here’s a report of a 312 pound gorilla being killed by a 185 pound Asiatic leopard in a zoo enclosure. By the sounds of it, it wasn’t even a fair fight at any point and the gorilla spent most of the time trying to run away.

https://virginiachronicle.com/cgi-bi...t-txIN--------

SPOKANE, WASH.—It was generally agreed that Barangtu, a 312-pound gorilla, never had a chance in his two-hour death struggle with a snarling 185-pound black panther. Zoo authorities and the owner of the two animals expressed the opinion that despite the weight advantage, Barangtu was fighting far out of his class. In fact, according to witnesses, the gorilla passed the entire two hours seeking to ward off the savage onslaughts of the enraged panther.

More than 400 persons were virtually hypnotized by the death struggle in a cage at a Liberty Lake animal show. When the battle was ended, the gorilla lay dead, mercifully murdered by show attendants. Before the attendants shot Barangtu, the panther had torn his arm off and inflicted numerous painful wounds. It was probably the first time in history a gorilla had ever met a panther in mortal combat, according to Edward Johnson, Superintendent of the Woodland Park Zoo in Seattle. The native habitat of the gorilla is Africa and the panther comes from Asia, he said. Mrs. Ruby Smith, San Diego, one of the owners of the show, said that “Barangtu was the loser from the beginning.” The panther slashed at him with his claws and teeth while about all the gorilla could do was try to avoid him.” In Seattle, Johnson said gorillas are peace-loving animals who do not attack others unless attacked first. They are mainly vegetarians, he said.

I also happened upon this Reddit post containing some links to source material about leopards hunting adult male gorillas:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRa...hbusting_post/

Not sure about the validity of any of the claims but it’s interesting nonetheless.

[suzzer99]

More than 400 persons were virtually hypnotized by the death struggle in a cage at a Liberty Lake animal show

Jesus, they staged this for fun in 1949?

Actually I found this article that makes it sound like it was an accident the two wound up together. https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/63066994

The animals came together through an unlocked cage door.

That makes a lot more sense. No way a zoo would be involved in something like that in 1949.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Jesus, they staged this for fun in 1949?

I don't think giving a **** about animals was a thing until maybe the 70s?

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Jesus, they staged this for fun in 1949?

Actually I found this article that makes it sound like it was an accident the two wound up together. https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/63066994



That makes a lot more sense. No way a zoo would be involved in something like that in 1949.

Is there a video?