Danny Carey > Neil Peart. Fight Me...

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by hometeam

People aren't hiring guys to play like Carey because nobody can do the shit he does. They can try to copy specific licks, but they cant compose it in the way that only he does.

That's why hes the GOAT, and there are thousands of regular jack offs that can play like Ringo.

Good god, no.

Again, Danny fits Tool perfectly, just like Neil Pearl fit Rush perfectly.

And while both of them are Masters of their own styles, they’re not masters of every style.

Arguing about who is “better”, when both Rings and Danny have had massive success with their respective bands, is a silly waste of time.

Neither band would be even remotely the same had any other drummer been a member.

[SuperChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Arguing about who is “better”, when both Rings and Danny have had massive success with their respective bands, is a silly waste of time.

You just did that, though. You said "Ringo won" in your post previous to this one. What am I missing?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by SuperChief

You just did that, though. You said "Ringo won" in your post previous to this one. What am I missing?

Ringo has had far, far more success as a player, touring artist and songwriter than Danny Carey. The two aren't even comparable in this regard.

These debates are stupid but if we're looking merely at career, number of albums sold and longevity, Ringo is the hands down "winner".

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Good god, no.

Again, Danny fits Tool perfectly, just like Neil Pearl fit Rush perfectly.

And while both of them are Masters of their own styles, they’re not masters of every style.

Arguing about who is “better”, when both Rings and Danny have had massive success with their respective bands, is a silly waste of time.

Neither band would be even remotely the same had any other drummer been a member.

This is spot on. People often confuse their own limits (opinions/desires/preferences) for the limits of the world.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by hometeam

People aren't hiring guys to play like Carey because nobody can do the shit he does. They can try to copy specific licks, but they cant compose it in the way that only he does.

That's why hes the GOAT, and there are thousands of regular jack offs that can play like Ringo.

People aren't hiring guys to play like Carey because most people write songs and don't need people to be flying all over the kit like Carey.

Tool only has one song : Maynard sings operatically over the slow atmospheric part, then they pick up speed, Danny Carey plays double bass and goes nuts over the kit, then it explodes into weird noises.

The fact that they don't have actual songs but one formula that is "their sound" means that Danny Carey HAS to play the way he does - otherwise, it isn't 'Tool music'.

[SuperChief]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

People aren't hiring guys to play like Carey because most people write songs and don't need people to be flying all over the kit like Carey.

Tool only has one song : Maynard sings operatically over the slow atmospheric part, then they pick up speed, Danny Carey plays double bass and goes nuts over the kit, then it explodes into weird noises.

The fact that they don't have actual songs but one formula that is "their sound" means that Danny Carey HAS to play the way he does - otherwise, it isn't 'Tool music'.

I just . . . can't believe how ill-informed this take is. I take it you've never really listened to the band - maybe a few of the hits on the radio? Because if you've ever listened to Tool stuff from Lataralus-on, you're not even remotely in the ballpark. Double bass? Did you get that from the short moment in Pneuma from the OP?

Damn dude. I know how silly it is to debate "best" with such a subjective concept like art, but . . . your take is so far removed from reality. Idk.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by SuperChief

I just . . . can't believe how ill-informed this take is. I take it you've never really listened to the band - maybe a few of the hits on the radio? Because if you've ever listened to Tool stuff from Lataralus-on, you're not even remotely in the ballpark. Double bass? Did you get that from the short moment in Pneuma from the OP?

Damn dude. I know how silly it is to debate "best" with such a subjective concept like art, but . . . your take is so far removed from reality. Idk.

I've seen Tool live at Ozzfest, I've heard all the albums except for the newest one (no interest), there's just not much meat on them bones. For that type of music, I can get what Tool offers from bands I like much better - stuff like King Crimson, Smashing Pumpkins, Porcupine Tree, et al

It's okay if you like them, it was just never my thing. Just like I never liked Korn all that much, or Limp Bizkit. Lots of people loved them. Never was a Creed fan. Same with Godsmack and Nickelback. Never was my thing.

For my money, Jimmy Chamberlain is probably my favorite drummer of "that style", that busy, over the top prog-rock style of playing.

Doesn't mean I'm right or wrong, but I'm a "song" guy. I really like great songs. After Opiate and Undertow, it seems like Tool quit writing songs and just do "Tool sounds". Which is cool, if you're a fan. I'm not.

[hometeam]

[2bikemike]

Not a fan of Tool, however watching the OP's video I didn't see anything that blew me away.

I am a fan of Rush and probably have some bias towards NP. I have been blown away by some of NP's drumming.

I agree that there are a number of different styles and trying to pick the GOAT is would be a monumental task.

My son is a pretty decent drummer, and I have a lot of respect for all drummers. What they do with their hands a feet at different tempos is pretty amazing to this extremely rhythmically challenged observer.

[MTG#10]

I will concede one thing, Danny isn't without a doubt the greatest drummer who ever lived...nobody can unequivocally claim that title. But to even put Ringo in the same conversation is downright laughable.

[SuperChief]

I don't know how someone can listen to Right in Two and Rosetta Stoned and hear the same thing. What?

[MTG#10]

Originally Posted by SuperChief

I don't know how someone can listen to Right in Two and Rosetta Stoned and hear the same thing. What?

There are dozens of other examples too. When someone says any band's music all sounds the same it just proves they haven't heard much or wasn't paying attention when they did. If all of Tool's songs sounded the same I seriously doubt they'd be selling out huge arenas still to this day well into their 50's.

[rabblerouser]

Drummers I like better than Danny Carey :

RINGO
Mick Fleetwood
Joe Winters
Buddy Miles
Buddy Rich
Jimmy Chamberlain
Brain
Bob Burns
Artimus Pyle
Jaime Oldaker
Anton Fig
Phil Rudd
CHRIS SLADE
Steve Gorman
Joe Magistro
John Bonham
Ginger Baker
Matt Walker
Kenny Aronoff
Chad Smith
Jackie Irons
Dave Abbruzzese
Matt Cameron
Brit Turner
Charlie Watts
The guy from the ****ing Spin Doctors
Jeff Sipe
Eric Kretz
Paul ****ing McCartney
Martin Chambers
Steven Adler
Matt Sorum
Sean Kinney
Brad Morgan
Chad Gamble
George Sluppick
Billy Kreutzmann
Dennis Chambers
Tommy ****ing Lee
Dave ****ing Grohl
Craig Wingate
Brad Wilk
Bill Ward
Tommy Aldridge
Lee Kerslake
Joey Kramer
Ralph Molina
Jim Gordon
Jim Keltner
Taylor Hawkins
Stephen Perkins
Uncle John Turner
Andy Sturmer from Jellyfish
Rob Affuso
Ginger Fish
Vinnie Paul
Eric Carr
Eric Singer
Neal Smith from the Original ACG
Whitey Glan
Nigel Olsson

That's just off the top of my head.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Drummers I like better than Danny Carey :


Jackie Irons
Dave Abbruzzese
Matt Cameron

You had me right here!!!!