***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Spott

Right now there’s not a whole lot to spend money on, besides more Chiefs Super Bowl gear.

I'm buying up plane tickets for future use.

[MahiMike]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

If shit hits the fan, the mortgage (and rent) can wait.

Because if your landlord contacts the sheriff to toss you out, the sheriff is gonna tell him to **** off. Moreover, most courts are closed anyway so how's your landlord going to get the eviction order anyway?

And banks don't want to be in the business of real-estate. If you miss this month's mortgage, they AIN'T gonna foreclose. Not if 1/2 the country is defaulting. Hell, aren't most mortgages held by Fanny and Freddy these days anyway? The fed most assuredly isn't calling them due...

That's why some of these concerns are overblown - the real practical impact will be minimal. Worrying about "how are people gonna make their rent!!?!" is missing the mark. The real worry is "how are people gonna have jobs to go back to in 90 days?"

This plan is missing the problem completely.

This is so wrong. The financial impact will be bigger than the virus.

[lewdog]

Where’s the details on this $1k I’m getting?!

[Spott]

Originally Posted by eDave

I'm buying up plane tickets for future use.

I fly all the time for work so I stocked up for a little while. I have 8 flights booked on my Allegiant app right now. I was supposed to go on a cruise the first week of May but that may not happen.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

This is so wrong. The financial impact will be bigger than the virus.

Agreed. But his point about rent and mortgage (I'll add your car payment, insurance, etc.) being survivalbe is spot on.

I call it survival living and I've been through it a couple of times in my life and lived to tell the tale. I'm fairly well off now.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Someone's gonna get shot for wearing a bandana and walking into a 7-11. ****.

Entirely possible. And this is a prime example of what I mean when I talk about overreacting. People are just panicking and not asking the time to fully think things through. If we do not reign this in quick we will quite possibly do more damage to our country than the virus ever could.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

This is so wrong. The financial impact will be bigger than the virus.

Much much much bigger.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

This is so wrong. The financial impact will be bigger than the virus.

Originally Posted by eDave

Agreed. But his point about rent and mortgage (I'll add your car payment, insurance, etc.) being survivalbe is spot on.

I call it survival living and I've been through it a couple of times in my life.

well that sucks. I looked at my houses value last week. pleasantly surprised to say the least. Now real estate is going to tank again?

[Kiimo]

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— Carli Zielinski (@carlifarley) March 17, 2020

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by loochy

Hell, I'd have no problem rolling with a mask. But do you remember how in the beginning they told us to not wear masks because they don't do anything? I mean damn, how could it NOT help? Sure, it's not 100%,but it's something.

Yeah I think that's why they don't want to reverse course. I really think they're running the SARS playbook and haven't updated to the new information. The fact that they're still screening for if you traveled gives me no confidence they're on the ball on this.

Also maybe they're afraid of a run on masks that healthcare providers need. But Chinese citizens aren't wearing N95 - they're wearing surgical masks. I know we can somehow come up with millions of those, right?

I had it confirmed from someone else that China's official policy is that everyone wears a mask in public right now. Hopefully Italy follows suit when they let people back out and then we can't ignore it's the right thing to do.

We need a solid policy for when these bans lift. We can't just stumble into it like we're doing now.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Fish

So, some rough math...

~209,000,000 US citizens over the age of 18
~19,000,000 millionaires+
$1000/person

So excluding millionaires, that's ~$190B? Wow.

They're talking about another $700B corporate stimulus.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

well that sucks. I looked at my houses value last week. pleasantly surprised to say the least. Now real estate is going to tank again?

If I were to get gloomy, I'd say that when all the boomers kick it, there will be a ton of inventory. And I thought the rate cuts were done for this reason, if they trickle down that far. Appears they will.

[O.city]

Looks like Italy is turning the corner. Hopefully

[BigRedChief]

Treasury secretary says unemployment could be 20%. Wasn’t the worst unemployment % in the depression 24.9%?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Right now #China is making threats to disrupt America’s drug supply chain during the #coronavirus #pandemic — congress & WH gearing up to fight back. Hope you’ll tune infor the story @BretBaier @SpecialReport

— Gillian Turner (@GillianHTurner) March 17, 2020