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**Saulbadguy** · 09-12-2011, 07:57 AM

The old one has AIDS.

Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month.

Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com.

Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said.

The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said.

Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned.

If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday.

There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12.

Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative.

Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division.

Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox).

If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form.

Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options."

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas.

Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas.

There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits.

Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC.

It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools.

Stay tuned.

**Reaper16** · 10-20-2011, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

His hatred for St. Louis tops it all. It is hilarious how insecure he is about St. Louis and the Cardinals. He's tried to create this huge KC/STL rivalry that really isn't there, at least on the KCMO side.

Put that in another one of your misogynist analogies, will 'ya?

**Saul Good** · 10-20-2011, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by evenfall

A source with connections to television executives involved in broadcasting college football in multiple BCS conferences has further confirmed what PowerMizzou.com reported earlier in the week. The source said Missouri's move to the SEC was "as done as done can be without the official vote." The source further stated that the vote, as reported earlier in the week by the Times, is not expected to be a hurdle.

I don't buy it. I've been assured many times on CP that the votes aren't there.

In fact, I've learned a lot here.

Nobody wants Mizzou.
If they do, its just so they can add a weak team.
Nobody cares about Mizzou.
Mizzou destroyed the conference.
Mizzou shouldn't break up the rivaly with KU.
KU won't play MU if we leave because they don't care about MU.
The Big XII is a great geographical and cultural fit for Mizzou.
The Big XII will add BYU and West Virginia.

**mikeyis4dcats.** · 10-20-2011, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

I don't buy it. I've been assured many times on CP that the votes aren't there.

In fact, I've learned a lot here.

Nobody wants Mizzou.
If they do, its just so they can add a weak team.
Nobody cares about Mizzou.
Mizzou destroyed the conference.
Mizzou shouldn't break up the rivaly with KU.
KU won't play MU if we leave because they don't care about MU.
The Big XII is a great geographical and cultural fit for Mizzou.
The Big XII will add BYU and West Virginia.
MU fans are humble and grounded

fyp

**Bearcat** · 10-20-2011, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

I don't buy it. I've been assured many times on CP that the votes aren't there.

In fact, I've learned a lot here.

Nobody wants Mizzou.
If they do, its just so they can add a weak team.
Nobody cares about Mizzou.
Mizzou destroyed the conference.
Mizzou shouldn't break up the rivaly with KU.
KU won't play MU if we leave because they don't care about MU.
The Big XII is a great geographical and cultural fit for Mizzou.
The Big XII will add BYU and West Virginia.

It's almost like different people have different opinions, perspectives, and agendas, and not any single one of them speaks for an entire fanbase or is even doing anything more than trolling for this kind of crying... but really, keep "learning" things by assuming each statement by each rival fan is a proclamation of the absolute truth that not only they believe, but every other fan believes (<- that's deliberate hyperbole, btw, refuting it will only produce lols).

tl;dr --

evenfall · 10-20-2011, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

It's almost like different people have different opinions, perspectives, and agendas, and not any single one of them speaks for an entire fanbase or is even doing anything more than trolling for this kind of crying... but really, keep "learning" things by assuming each statement by each rival fan is a proclamation of the absolute truth that not only they believe, but every other fan believes (<- that's deliberate hyperbole, btw, refuting it will only produce lols).

tl;dr --

Summary: deuces.

eazyb81 · 10-20-2011, 09:58 AM

Mountain West is proposing a 16 team playoff to replace the BCS. I doubt it gets any traction but it is interesting to see a conference go against the grain.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/coll...l-playoff.html

DJ's left nut · 10-20-2011, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by NewChief

Yeah. It's nuts, but it's over 30 years. Sweet pics if you follow the link.

Hmmmmm....where would Mizzou ever get an additional $300 million over 30 years? Wait...has anyone considered using the additional $12+ million in revenue generated by a move to the SEC in order to expand the facilities to a level on par with other similarly situated SEC schools!!! Jesus - it just might work!

Arkansas remains an excellent example for Mizzou. It will absolutely take some time, but that additional revenue is going to go right back into the program. There's going to be some lean years and some dark periods here and there, but Mizzou will absolutely be better off for making this move.

evenfall · 10-20-2011, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

Mountain West is proposing a 16 team playoff to replace the BCS. I doubt it gets any traction but it is interesting to see a conference go against the grain.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/coll...l-playoff.html

Dumb.. I can see why minor conferences feel threatened by this realignment stuff, but you can't extend the season by 4 weeks.

DJ's left nut · 10-20-2011, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

fyp

Keep on ****ing that chicken, tiger.

You've been listening to way too much Kietzman.

**DaKCMan AP** · 10-20-2011, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

Mountain West is proposing a 16 team playoff to replace the BCS. I doubt it gets any traction but it is interesting to see a conference go against the grain.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/coll...l-playoff.html

A conference with less than zero influence..

Frazod · 10-20-2011, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Keep on ****ing that chicken, tiger.

You've been listening to way too much Kietzman.

I've never listened to a second of his show, and I've heard too much. Who listens to shit like this? I guess it's something do to when you're at work and can't watch Jerry Springer.

DJ's left nut · 10-20-2011, 10:14 AM

I was in Joplin yesterday when the Kietzman/Harry argument went on, but I think it's fair to point out just how absurd KK was being when he built his little straw-man with Harry.

Jack Harry is absolutely wrong here. There's no way on Gods green earth the XII should keep that tournament in KC. But KK went on to paint this as the "Missouri fans" position. Look Harry wears dual hats. He's a Missouri guy, but he's also a Kansas City resident and sports personality.

He wasn't speaking as a MU guy there, but as a KC sports personality. Yet KK tried to put a Mizzou hat on him. Here's what KK constantly fails to realize - Kansas City is only about 1/3 of Missouri's fanbase, probably even a little less. St. Louis is a stronger MU town than KC is and the rest of the state is heavy MU as well since it's the only major athletic university in the state.

So right off the bat, 2/3 of the MU fanbase doesn't give a rats ass if that tournament stays in KC - not even a little bit. Of the remaining 1/3 in the KC area, about 1/2 of them don't give a shit That would've been me had I stayed in KC; I don't put a lot of stock in the economic evaluations of single-shot sporting events in a region. Those are fungible assets; that spare income will still be spent just on other avenues and most of it will still be spent in-state. Of the remaining 1/2 of the KC area MU fans, 3/4 of those recognize why the IIX wouldn't want to have the tournament in a state with no representatives.

All told, you're talking maybe 5% of the Missouri fanbase that thinks the tournament should still be in Kansas City and NONE of them are speaking as Missouri fans, but as Kansas City residents. So what?

But Keitzman's dumbass decided to use this as the jumping off point for a 20 minute rant about how entitled and superior MU fans are behaving.

He really does expose himself as a bitter little shit if you pay attention to what arguments he chooses to make. Not the arguments themselves (as his argument there was an easy win), but how he chooses to couch arguments and frame them to deconstruct straw-men.

He's a perfect little Wildcat right now.

NewChief · 10-20-2011, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Hmmmmm....where would Mizzou ever get an additional $300 million over 30 years? Wait...has anyone considered using the additional $12+ million in revenue generated by a move to the SEC in order to expand the facilities to a level on par with other similarly situated SEC schools!!! Jesus - it just might work!

Arkansas remains an excellent example for Mizzou. It will absolutely take some time, but that additional revenue is going to go right back into the program. There's going to be some lean years and some dark periods here and there, but Mizzou will absolutely be better off for making this move.

Exactly. I went to school here when we were just joining the SEC (and during our basketball title). Our athletics (and academic) facilities were a far cry then from what they are today. Tailgating was pathetic, and there was no culture of fanaticism (except with basketball). Since joining the SEC, things have completely changed. Razorback sports are insane now and our facilities for all sports are top notch.

KCrockaholic · 10-20-2011, 10:22 AM

I can't keep up with this stuff.....where are my Missouri Tigers going to end up? Besides the obvious answer of Columbia.

DJ's left nut · 10-20-2011, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by NewChief

Exactly. I went to school here when we were just joining the SEC (and during our basketball title). Our athletics (and academic) facilities were a far cry then from what they are today. Tailgating was pathetic, and there was no culture of fanaticism (except with basketball). Since joining the SEC, things have completely changed. Razorback sports are insane now and our facilities for all sports are top notch.

And Missouri already has basketball facilities that would be in the top 2 or 3 of the conference as well as indoor practice facilities that rank with virtually any school in the country.

If MU put together a $300 million stadium renovation, they'd have athletic facilities that rivaled the absolute best anywhere in the country.

It's really just a useless argument to have at this point. MU would go into the SEC in a far better position than Arkansas did with absolutely nothing that would prevent it from being just as successful down there. In the meantime, the atmosphere surrounding the athletic department would unquestionably step up a notch.

But the K-Staters insist we're being arrogant for looking forward to this.

09-12-2011, 07:57 AM
Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Saulbadguy's Avatar Join Date: Nov 2003	New Conference re-alignment thread The old one has AIDS. Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month. Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com. Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said. The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said. Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned. If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday. There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12. Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative. Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division. Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox). If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form. Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options." Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas. Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas. There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits. Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC. It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools. Stay tuned.
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10-20-2011, 09:58 AM	#5811
eazyb81 The Illuminati eazyb81's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: the road less traveled	Mountain West is proposing a 16 team playoff to replace the BCS. I doubt it gets any traction but it is interesting to see a conference go against the grain. http://www.azcentral.com/sports/coll...l-playoff.html
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10-20-2011, 10:14 AM	#5817
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards DJ's left nut's Avatar Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo	I was in Joplin yesterday when the Kietzman/Harry argument went on, but I think it's fair to point out just how absurd KK was being when he built his little straw-man with Harry. Jack Harry is absolutely wrong here. There's no way on Gods green earth the XII should keep that tournament in KC. But KK went on to paint this as the "Missouri fans" position. Look Harry wears dual hats. He's a Missouri guy, but he's also a Kansas City resident and sports personality. He wasn't speaking as a MU guy there, but as a KC sports personality. Yet KK tried to put a Mizzou hat on him. Here's what KK constantly fails to realize - Kansas City is only about 1/3 of Missouri's fanbase, probably even a little less. St. Louis is a stronger MU town than KC is and the rest of the state is heavy MU as well since it's the only major athletic university in the state. So right off the bat, 2/3 of the MU fanbase doesn't give a rats ass if that tournament stays in KC - not even a little bit. Of the remaining 1/3 in the KC area, about 1/2 of them don't give a shit That would've been me had I stayed in KC; I don't put a lot of stock in the economic evaluations of single-shot sporting events in a region. Those are fungible assets; that spare income will still be spent just on other avenues and most of it will still be spent in-state. Of the remaining 1/2 of the KC area MU fans, 3/4 of those recognize why the IIX wouldn't want to have the tournament in a state with no representatives. All told, you're talking maybe 5% of the Missouri fanbase that thinks the tournament should still be in Kansas City and NONE of them are speaking as Missouri fans, but as Kansas City residents. So what? But Keitzman's dumbass decided to use this as the jumping off point for a 20 minute rant about how entitled and superior MU fans are behaving. He really does expose himself as a bitter little shit if you pay attention to what arguments he chooses to make. Not the arguments themselves (as his argument there was an easy win), but how he chooses to couch arguments and frame them to deconstruct straw-men. He's a perfect little Wildcat right now.
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10-20-2011, 10:22 AM	#5819
KCrockaholic Sarcasm KCrockaholic's Avatar Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Olathe	I can't keep up with this stuff.....where are my Missouri Tigers going to end up? Besides the obvious answer of Columbia.
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