***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by R Clark

They give it to humans also it’s not just for animals . If you have worms they give you a script in pill form

Even with human doses long term it can cause issues, my wife says it isn’t normally given for long period of time but she does admit it isn’t a drug she has used much.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I must be missing out. What kind of parasites are people getting on a regular basis?

I would assume people that travel a lot to Africa/Asia , I wouldn’t think it would be very common occurrence in North America

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I must be missing out. What kind of parasites are people getting on a regular basis?

Apparently we have parasites more often than we realize. Causing of inflammation and drowsiness. Not always the severe type. He’s the medical nerd on that stuff, not me.

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I would assume people that travel a lot to Africa/Asia , I wouldn’t think it would be very common occurrence in North America

He does travel quite a bit. He’s in Columbia right now actually.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by R Clark

They give it to humans also it’s not just for animals . If you have worms they give you a script in pill form

If you have a dog you’ve probably given it ivermectin in heart guard. It’s also been used in human topical creams to treat scabies and rosacea.

I’m surprised at the number of people who seem outright hostile to it rather than hoping it’s an effective treatment and calling for additional studies.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

He does travel quite a bit. He’s in Columbia right now actually.

Yeah South America as well .

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I must be missing out. What kind of parasites are people getting on a regular basis?

Forgot about topical form for body lice.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

If you have a dog you’ve probably given it ivermectin in heart guard. It’s also been used in human topical creams to treat scabies and rosacea.

I’m surprised at the number of people who seem outright hostile to it rather than hoping it’s an effective treatment and calling for additional studies.

Nobody is hostile to it the issue is with people promoting as a miracle cure , prevention is still the best medicine and when they promote cures some people might think that preventions ( vaccines/mitigation ) are no longer necessary which leads to more cases and everything that comes with it.

I would love for HCQ and ivermectin to work and preventing severe illness / death but so far there is no proof.

[Sassy Squatch]

Is that hand sanitizer in your pocket or are you just happy to be 6 feet away from me.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

If you have a dog you’ve probably given it ivermectin in heart guard. It’s also been used in human topical creams to treat scabies and rosacea.

I’m surprised at the number of people who seem outright hostile to it rather than hoping it’s an effective treatment and calling for additional studies.

Like remdesivir and HCQ, the issue isn't that there's no chance that those things help at all. It's the cognitive dissonance between taking something that is completely unproven to do anything when there's an alternative that's 90%+ effective.

If ivermectin does anything, it doesn't do much, as evidenced by the fact that there are plenty of examples of people who have died after having forgone the vaccine in favor of it.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

If you have a dog you’ve probably given it ivermectin in heart guard. It’s also been used in human topical creams to treat scabies and rosacea.

I’m surprised at the number of people who seem outright hostile to it rather than hoping it’s an effective treatment and calling for additional studies.

Wrong way around. It's the people who are pushing ivermectin who are hostile to the vaccine. Their strategy has been to waive any number of shiny objects around as a distraction and muddle a fairly straightforward vaccine message.

[DaFace]

Here's another example. 30 years old and healthy. Took ivermectin, vitamin C, zinc, and aspirin. Didn't get the vaccine. Hated masks.

Dead. He leaves behind a wife and three young girls.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/27/w...-covid-19.html

[OnTheWarpath15]

MADERNA

24-year-old Chloe Mrozak from Illinois was arrested after allegedly using this fake #COVID19 vaccine card to enter Hawaii and avoid travel restrictions — it says “Maderna” instead of “Moderna” @KITV4 pic.twitter.com/1EWp3eG3OR

— Tom George (@TheTomGeorge) September 1, 2021

[OnTheWarpath15]

The same lot number on difference doses was a nice touch too, genius.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Like remdesivir and HCQ, the issue isn't that there's no chance that those things help at all. It's the cognitive dissonance between taking something that is completely unproven to do anything when there's an alternative that's 90%+ effective.

If ivermectin does anything, it doesn't do much, as evidenced by the fact that there are plenty of examples of people who have died after having forgone the vaccine in favor of it.

How do you know the people who took ivermectin took it in human form at the correct dosage? And, there are trials showing it is beneficial.

https://journals.lww.com/americanthe...ment_of.7.aspx