***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by jdubya

As a vaxed person, I still don't care what others choose to do. In fact if one is on the fence about getting the vaccine, the least effective way to get that person vaccinated is to shame and call them an idiot. If everybody and media and politicians just chill, more folks will be less defensive and likely quietly come around. Again, challenging peoples intellect isn't going to win hearts and minds IMO.

As somebody who doesn't drive drunk, I still care about other idiots driving drunk.

And calling them idiots may not be the best strategy but so be it.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by jdubya

As a vaxed person, I still don't care what others choose to do. In fact if one is on the fence about getting the vaccine, the least effective way to get that person vaccinated is to shame and call them an idiot. If everybody and media and politicians just chill, more folks will be less defensive and likely quietly come around. Again, challenging peoples intellect isn't going to win hearts and minds IMO.

So you're saying calling these people idiots will ultimately help cleanse the gene pool of idiots?

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[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

As somebody who doesn't drive drunk, I still care about other idiots driving drunk.

And calling them idiots may not be the best strategy but so be it.

Horrible analogy but I'll add to it for fun. What is the best way to get an alcoholic to stop drinking?

Let me know if you think shaming and insulting is effective.

[Katipan]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Horrible analogy but I'll add to it for fun. What is the best way to get an alcoholic to stop drinking?

Let me know if you think shaming and insulting is effective.

DUI check points and jail.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Horrible analogy but I'll add to it for fun. What is the best way to get an alcoholic to stop drinking?

Let me know if you think shaming and insulting is effective.

I like where you are going with this! Long term involuntary incarceration seems to work wonders at keeping drunks a) off the road, and b) sober.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Katipan

DUI check points and jail.

That helps rid the roads of drunk drivers but does it ultimately stop their drinking? I believe the recidivism rates are pretty high with alcoholics.

Again Im not emotionally vested in this at all. Just throwing it out there for discussion. Mocking non vaxed folks won't make anybody rush to get the shot lol.

[Katipan]

Originally Posted by jdubya

That helps rid the roads of drunk drivers but does it ultimately stop their drinking? I believe the recidivism rates are pretty high with alcoholics

That's because they're alcoholics and beyond reasoning. In this conversation you do what you have to do to keep them alive.

I doubt anyone is surprised at my stance.

[R Clark]

Damn pot heads

[Katipan]

Originally Posted by R Clark

Damn pot heads

It's just better pot now.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Yes the first thing I do when I’m vomiting up pints of blood and bleeding from my rectum is jerk off to check my semen.

Thats hilarious. Ive seen many people blowing out blood from both ends but almost always secondary to esophageal varices. Never heard the old "Ive got blood in my semen" complaint lol.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Katipan

That's because they're alcoholics and beyond reasoning. In this conversation you do what you have to do to keep them alive.

I doubt anyone is surprised at my stance.

This began with a suggestion of how to influence and sway one to do something. My point was shaming and ridicule isn't very effective. Then the drunk analogy came into play and we all went off into the weeds from there. No biggie, I think this has played itself out for now lol.

[Otter]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Yes the first thing I do when I’m vomiting up pints of blood and bleeding from my rectum is jerk off to check my semen.

Hey, you never know. If I'm projectile vomiting up blood and bleeding out my anus you're also probably questioning your time left. Rubbing one out might be a priority with a short window of opportunity.

Wouldn't want be sitting across the table.

See how this fear porn stuff works yet?

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Mocking non vaxed folks won't make anybody rush to get the shot lol.

Maybe those that have refused or decided to not making getting the vaccine a priority should not be treated. No vaccine, no treatment probably too harsh but that would change minds.
Just like now, the Bills WR decided to get the vaccine after his fines.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Maybe those that have refused or decided to not making getting the vaccine a priority should not be treated. No vaccine, no treatment probably too harsh but that would change minds.
Just like now, the Bills WR decided to get the vaccine after his fines.

If one is on government care I can see that happening. If one has been paying for private medical insurance, that is criminal and tyrannical

[suzzer99]

From Cox Health in Springfield MO.