***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Sure-Oz]

This is very upsetting.

@DavidBegnaud: U.S. Army veteran Daniel Wilkinson, of Texas, died of a treatable illness because the Covid crisis left him without an available ICU bed even though he lives 3 houses down from an emergency room and 60 miles away from some of the greatest healthcare facilities in the world. https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/sta...523971/video/1

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

This is very upsetting.

@DavidBegnaud: U.S. Army veteran Daniel Wilkinson, of Texas, died of a treatable illness because the Covid crisis left him without an available ICU bed even though he lives 3 houses down from an emergency room and 60 miles away from some of the greatest healthcare facilities in the world. https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/sta...523971/video/1

[DaFace]

Gah. That's ****ed up.

[TLO]

This is purely an emotional response to that video.

I'm sure this is already going on in hospitals around the country, but someone needs to be having a serious discussion about rationing care with the public. If you choose not to protect yourself with a readily accessible vaccine, and you end up in the hospital needing care, you go to the back of the line. No shaming. No guilt trips. Just lay out the facts.

That man should not have died from a gallstone.

[carlos3652]

I wonder if Hospitals didn’t plan or prepare for having the same or worse influx of Covid patients due to the fact that the vaccine was supposed to stop transmission. Back in March, the CDC and Biden mentioned that the data (at that time, pre delta) was stopping transmission of the virus. Considering that more than 70% of adults have taken the vaccine, it seems to me that the hope was that what they budgeted and planned for was enough.

I also know school boards planned with this in mind - as the quarantine rules did not apply to vaccinated teachers in close contact to positive covid teachers. Non vaccinated teachers have to quarantine at home for 10 days while vaccinated teachers can continue in the building. Same for vaccinated students (This is terribly outdated but still a policy at my wife’s school as well as my sons HS

Delta really screwed up that planning and in July the cdc started to mention that transmission was the same and not stopped.

I think we need to stop planning / budgeting like we have this under control.

And our policies need to change based on the latest data that we have.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by O.city

I just don't see the need. If you're immune naive, sure. Get the vaccine. Or get Covid.

But if you've had either, I just don't see the need.

Unless you're older or immunocompromised.

Well I've either already had it and did fine or I never got it. My personal belief is that when I got sick in January before SB LIV that's what I had. Now we know China lied about earliest cases and a likely patient/s 0.

Specifically I know I don't need the poke. In 10 years I might. Other people might and that's your decision to make. I don't think this shot should be taken or avoided due to politics or popularity. You know your health. You've had over a year of Covid to know how you personally react to it. Go to the web sites of the vaccine manufacturers. READ EVERYTHING THEY STATE and make your own decisions. Some are definitely more effective than others.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

This is very upsetting.

@DavidBegnaud: U.S. Army veteran Daniel Wilkinson, of Texas, died of a treatable illness because the Covid crisis left him without an available ICU bed even though he lives 3 houses down from an emergency room and 60 miles away from some of the greatest healthcare facilities in the world. https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/sta...523971/video/1

There was a guy in KS who had something similar happen just today. Need to find that story. It was in the Star.

Edit: here it is: https://www.kansascity.com/news/coro...253764933.html

[Coach]

Originally Posted by TLO

This is purely an emotional response to that video.

I'm sure this is already going on in hospitals around the country, but someone needs to be having a serious discussion about rationing care with the public. If you choose not to protect yourself with a readily accessible vaccine, and you end up in the hospital needing care, you go to the back of the line. No shaming. No guilt trips. Just lay out the facts.

That man should not have died from a gallstone.

Another issue is the staffing shortage as well. I can only imagine that these nurses/orderly/doctors are completely burnt out that they just no longer enjoy the job anymore and they just quit.

Burnout is real.

[carlos3652]

Originally Posted by Coach

Another issue is the staffing shortage as well. I can only imagine that these nurses/orderly/doctors are completely burnt out that they just no longer enjoy the job anymore and they just quit.

Burnout is real.

On top of the of the ones being fired. It’s rough out there, I can’t even imagine.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

On top of the of the ones being fired. It’s rough out there, I can’t even imagine.

Good point, forgot about that one too (re: those being fired for refusing the vaccination) which also has to be considered.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Coach

Good point, forgot about that one too (re: those being fired for refusing the vaccination) which also has to be considered.

I am sure there have been few deaths as well.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Well I've either already had it and did fine or I never got it. My personal belief is that when I got sick in January before SB LIV that's what I had. Now we know China lied about earliest cases and a likely patient/s 0.

Specifically I know I don't need the poke. In 10 years I might. Other people might and that's your decision to make. I don't think this shot should be taken or avoided due to politics or popularity. You know your health. You've had over a year of Covid to know how you personally react to it. Go to the web sites of the vaccine manufacturers. READ EVERYTHING THEY STATE and make your own decisions. Some are definitely more effective than others.

You can never tell how you will react to any disease the first , second or even third time and calling it the poke or jab makes you come across a little childish , and sorry to break it to you but you most likely don’t know your body better than your doctors do.

If you know for sure you had it sure you probably have some protection but to what extent you have know idea not everyone has the same immune system , most doctors would still recommend a way to avoid getting it again.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by TLO

This is purely an emotional response to that video.

I'm sure this is already going on in hospitals around the country, but someone needs to be having a serious discussion about rationing care with the public. If you choose not to protect yourself with a readily accessible vaccine, and you end up in the hospital needing care, you go to the back of the line. No shaming. No guilt trips. Just lay out the facts.

That man should not have died from a gallstone.

This 100%

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by TLO

This is purely an emotional response to that video.

I'm sure this is already going on in hospitals around the country, but someone needs to be having a serious discussion about rationing care with the public. If you choose not to protect yourself with a readily accessible vaccine, and you end up in the hospital needing care, you go to the back of the line. No shaming. No guilt trips. Just lay out the facts.

That man should not have died from a gallstone.

Nope. If you refuse the vaccine, and then think you need to go to the hospital due to contracting Covid, you should be given a discount coupon to the local feedlot for your dose of Ivermectin and told to GTFO. Patients who took care of themselves and legitimately need medical care are getting denied because these mouth breathing morons are overrunning our hospitals.

I was on a call this morning and bedspace all across the state is a literal minute by minute opening in this part of the country. One hospital locally had to transfer a patient to WI recently due to a lack of bedspace.

These asshats are literally killing other people.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

I wonder if Hospitals didn’t plan or prepare for having the same or worse influx of Covid patients due to the fact that the vaccine was supposed to stop transmission. Back in March, the CDC and Biden mentioned that the data (at that time, pre delta) was stopping transmission of the virus. Considering that more than 70% of adults have taken the vaccine, it seems to me that the hope was that what they budgeted and planned for was enough.

I also know school boards planned with this in mind - as the quarantine rules did not apply to vaccinated teachers in close contact to positive covid teachers. Non vaccinated teachers have to quarantine at home for 10 days while vaccinated teachers can continue in the building. Same for vaccinated students (This is terribly outdated but still a policy at my wife’s school as well as my sons HS

Delta really screwed up that planning and in July the cdc started to mention that transmission was the same and not stopped.

I think we need to stop planning / budgeting like we have this under control.

And our policies need to change based on the latest data that we have.

Part of the issue is that people with pre-existing conditions had to put off medical care earlier in the pandemic so they didn't get the treatment they needed when they needed it. For many, those conditions have worsened and are now in need of acute care. Basically, you have a perfect storm of people who were told to put off their medical care colliding with the morons who refuse to wear a mask and/or get the vaccine and both are hitting the hospitals at the same time.