***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Hamwallet]

I have one question. Is the entire word R world now?

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by TLO

What are the sane and reasonable folks thoughts in here about boosters?

Am I allowed to answer?

If so, I'll do what the health people tell me to do. They're going to know a lot more about that stuff than me.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Hamwallet

I have one question. Is the entire word R world now?

Hoo boy

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Am I allowed to answer?

If so, I'll do what the health people tell me to do. They're going to know a lot more about that stuff than me.

But experts are wrong sometimes. Youtube is never wrong.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Hamwallet

I have one question. Is the entire word R world now?

Resistant? No, I think a lot of countries are having trouble getting vaccines.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

But experts are wrong sometimes. Youtube is never wrong.

I lost faith in youtube as an information source when I saw a video about the greatest piano intros to songs, and "Come Sail Away" wasn't on it.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Came across this the other day. Just wondering what are your opinions on this? Can you prove/disprove anything that is said here?
I am truly curious. Not trying to push any agenda.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CSgC0SdjRKK/

*crickets*

Inconvenient truths (aka “MISINFORMATION!”)

Of course they can’t disprove any of it.

I’m guessing that won’t last long on Instagram.

[Hamwallet]

Originally Posted by TLO

Hoo boy

I picked my words and the order carefully.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

*crickets*

Inconvenient truths (aka “MISINFORMATION!”)

Of course they can’t disprove any of it.

I’m guessing that won’t last long on Instagram.

I listened to the first 60 seconds, and gave up. The woman said that no one is talking about treatment and the entire emphasis is on vaccines and masks.

Well, yeah. The emphasis is on prevention. The public needs to know about prevention because that's where the public can affect things. Why would they talk about treatments?

[suzzer99]

There have been tons of studies done on treatments. Some work, some don't. HCQ and ivermectin have been shown, in real studies, to not be effective. Very early on they figured out that proning patients helped and it instantly spread around the medical community.

Tons of effort goes into improving treatment. It just doesn't make the news.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

There have been tons of studies done on treatments. Some work, some don't. HCQ and ivermectin have been shown, in real studies, to not be effective. Very early on they figured out that proning patients helped and it instantly spread around the medical community.

Tons of effort goes into improving treatment. It just doesn't make the news.

Prevention is the best medicine.

[SPchief]

Originally Posted by jjjayb

You do realize they don't treat vaccinated and unvaccinated the same in hospitals right? If you are vaccinated they don't test you for covid unless you are symptomatic. If you are un-vaccinated they do test you for covid even if you're asymptomatic.

.

That's not true at all

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by jjjayb

You do realize they don't treat vaccinated and unvaccinated the same in hospitals right? If you are vaccinated they don't test you for covid unless you are symptomatic. If you are un-vaccinated they do test you for covid even if you're asymptomatic.

Put it this way. If both of us go to the hospital because of heart attacks, you are vaccinated, I am not. They will test me for covid, even though I'm not there for Covid. They won't test you. If I show a positive test result, even though I'm not there for Covid, even though I'm asymptomatic, I'm considered "hospitalized with Covid". You won't be. Even if you are positive and asymptomatic just like me. They don't test you.

Why do they do this? Why would I even be considered "covid related hospitalization" when my hospitalization has nothing to do with Covid? I'm there for a heart attack and asymptomatic. There is nothing scientific about this. When you intentionally skew data like this you've lost every bit of trust I would otherwise have in you.

You are completely wrong here. All incoming patients are tested. If any patient tests positive they are put into the Covid protocol. When they have procedures we have to make all OR/Surgical/Procedure rooms have negative pressure to ensure that Covid is not released from those rooms. Once they are treated those rooms are sanitized with both chemical and UV sanitization procedures. Then they would be put in the Covid unit for recovery. In that unit, all rooms are negative pressure that has the air scrubber with HEPA filters. We have had to do this for everyone that has a medical need, from horrible accidents to pregnant women delivering babies. We are very close to stopping all elective, non-emergent procedures because we have very little space left. I work at a 500 bed facility.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I listened to the first 60 seconds, and gave up. The woman said that no one is talking about treatment and the entire emphasis is on vaccines and masks.

Well, yeah. The emphasis is on prevention. The public needs to know about prevention because that's where the public can affect things. Why would they talk about treatments?

And therein lies the problem. You guys are so invested in the media-driven narrative that you won’t even listen to other possibilities.

Studies have shown that it only takes about 6 weeks of propagandizing to thoroughly brainwash a population and ruin their ability to see reason. And at that point, nothing they’re presented with will change their mind. If that isn’t playing out before our eyes...

Hell, earlier in this thread somebody suggested that people with PhDs have less common sense than those with lesser degrees as an attempt to explain why PhDs are less likely to take the vaccine.

The nonsense that’s been thrown at us for the last 16 months should be laughed at and treated like comedy. A farce. But no one’s laughing.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by TLO

What are the sane and reasonable folks thoughts in here about boosters?

I got the Moderna. So, personally I don't feel it's necessary for me at this point. But if new info comes out showing anything different than what we currently know, I'd absolutely consider it.