***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

So if I go in for a knee surgery, get a positive test on a PCR test but have no symptoms of illness you think I should be classified as a Covid "patient"?

Where are you getting that from what I said?

They aren't doing knee surgeries here at this point or atleast haven't been for a bit. But even if they were, if you test positive prior to an elective surgery, that surgery isn't performed until a negative test.

[Katipan]

You’re a patient that has COVID.
Just like you’d be a patient with HiV.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

It is possible that there is also a surge in RSV and it is also there along with Covid?

I am hearing that children are surging into hospitals but that the main culprits aren't Covid but RSV.

By hearing, you mean reading on twitter?

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by O.city

By hearing, you mean reading on twitter?

I know this will be stunning news to you so let me explain the technology to you.

On social media you can follow people who say things such as, "My hospital is full of Covid patients!".

You can also follow people who link to news stories.

So whether I use Twitter or a feed reader, makes no difference.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/01/w...nfections.html

https://www.wpxi.com/news/trending/w...PJVGBQWD2ERDA/

https://www.wtae.com/article/us-seei...ummer/37202002

[O.city]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I know this will be stunning news to you so let me explain the technology to you.

On social media you can follow people who say things such as, "My hospital is full of Covid patients!".

You can also follow people who link to news stories.

So whether I use Twitter or a feed reader, makes no difference.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/01/w...nfections.html

https://www.wpxi.com/news/trending/w...PJVGBQWD2ERDA/

https://www.wtae.com/article/us-seei...ummer/37202002

I would associate hearing differenlty, but that makes sense. I tend to not put a whole lot of weight on social media with medical stuff because of social media and such atleast until I can ask around about it.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by O.city

Where are you getting that from what I said?

They aren't doing knee surgeries here at this point or atleast haven't been for a bit. But even if they were, if you test positive prior to an elective surgery, that surgery isn't performed until a negative test.

Crazy influx of "getting old" in the Springfield area.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

I would associate hearing differenlty, but that makes sense. I tend to not put a whole lot of weight on social media with medical stuff because of social media and such atleast until I can ask around about it.

I trust what someone I personally know who works at the hospital tells me over twitter for sure. I certainly trust what I can personally see happening here at work as well.

I'm not sure what's confusing about 4 kids had to be sent to Children's Mercy because of covid but he is going to do him.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Haven't really followed this thread or similar ones, but it's interesting to me that about 2/3 of France is opposed to the vaccines, but here you're treated like a bumbling know-nothing country bumpkin if you even have the slightest concern about it. Do we really think the average American is more sophisticated and knowledgeable than the average French person?

[Katipan]

Cuz it's France.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by Katipan

Cuz it's France.

There's a high percentage of Covid vaccine skeptics in most European nations. France just has the most.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

Haven't really followed this thread or similar ones, but it's interesting to me that about 2/3 of France is opposed to the vaccines, but here you're treated like a bumbling know-nothing country bumpkin if you even have the slightest concern about it. Do we really think the average American is more sophisticated and knowledgeable than the average French person?

Looks like they were idiots before Covid...

According to the 2018 Wellcome Global Monitor, a report which measures how people think and feel about science and health, one in three French citizens doubt the safety of vaccines. This was the highest amount of vaccine skepticism expressed out of the 144 countries in which the survey was conducted.

And 12-20% are really ****ing stupid.

Fast forward three years and you’ll hear the same arguments being rebirthed against the COVID-19 vaccine. After presenting our respondents with a multiple-choice lists of reasons they would refuse a vaccine, we found 50% believe there has been a lack of testing, 48% are concerned about side-effects, 12% are worried it will change their DNA, and 8% are anxious about microchips. Concerningly, 11% of all respondents indicated a belief that the vaccine is a government conspiracy.

https://fleishmanhillard.eu/2021/04/...nes-in-the-eu/

[TLO]

Hospitalizations have really leveled out here in NW Missouri. Still running with a fairly high case count and positivity rate. The next week should really give us an idea of which direction we're truly headed.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

There's a high percentage of Covid vaccine skeptics in most European nations. France just has the most.

I'm not sure why it matters...

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by TLO

Hospitalizations have really leveled out here in NW Missouri. Still running with a fairly high case count and positivity rate. The next week should really give us an idea of which direction we're truly headed.

In Johnson County the % of new people testing positive has plummented the past couple of days, which could also be an indicator that things are leveling or slowing down here as well.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

Haven't really followed this thread or similar ones, but it's interesting to me that about 2/3 of France is opposed to the vaccines, but here you're treated like a bumbling know-nothing country bumpkin if you even have the slightest concern about it. Do we really think the average American is more sophisticated and knowledgeable than the average French person?

Opposed or not, France has vaccinated a higher percentage of their population than the US has. 52.90% of the population is vaxxed in France.

https://www.sortiraparis.com/news/in...rmedfr/lang/en