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12-30-2020, 05:12 PM | #50521 |
Would an idiot do that?
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Yeah, I just assume they projected the 40k number for Sweden in part due to the ~20-25k deaths in NYC (depending on when they were published, of course).
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12-30-2020, 05:14 PM | #50522 | |
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“If you look at the curves of outbreaks, they go big peaks, and then come down. What we need to do is flatten that down,” Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told reporters Tuesday. “That would have less people infected. That would ultimately have less deaths. You do that by trying to interfere with the natural flow of the outbreak.” To even attempt to claim that mitigation efforts have had no impact is silly. It's spread by people. Your agenda is showing again. |
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12-30-2020, 05:17 PM | #50523 |
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https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations
As of today there have 12,409,050 doses distributed and 2,589,125 people have received their 1st dose of the vaccine. |
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12-30-2020, 05:19 PM | #50524 | |
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Johan Giesecke was Europe's equivalent head of their CDC and this is what he said: It has become clear that a hard lockdown does not protect old and frail people living in care homes—a population the lockdown was designed to protect.3 Neither does it decrease mortality from COVID-19, which is evident when comparing the UK's experience with that of other European countries. • View related content for this article PCR testing and some straightforward assumptions indicate that, as of April 29, 2020, more than half a million people in Stockholm county, Sweden, which is about 20–25% of the population, have been infected (Hansson D, Swedish Public Health Agency, personal communication). 98–99% of these people are probably unaware or uncertain of having had the infection; they either had symptoms that were severe, but not severe enough for them to go to a hospital and get tested, or no symptoms at all. Serology testing is now supporting these assumptions.4 These facts have led me to the following conclusions. Everyone will be exposed to severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, and most people will become infected. COVID-19 is spreading like wildfire in all countries, but we do not see it—it almost always spreads from younger people with no or weak symptoms to other people who will also have mild symptoms. This is the real pandemic, but it goes on beneath the surface, and is probably at its peak now in many European countries. There is very little we can do to prevent this spread: a lockdown might delay severe cases for a while, but once restrictions are eased, cases will reappear. I expect that when we count the number of deaths from COVID-19 in each country in 1 year from now, the figures will be similar, regardless of measures taken. Measures to flatten the curve might have an effect, but a lockdown only pushes the severe cases into the future —it will not prevent them. Admittedly, countries have managed to slow down spread so as not to overburden health-care systems, and, yes, effective drugs that save lives might soon be developed, but this pandemic is swift, and those drugs have to be developed, tested, and marketed quickly. Much hope is put in vaccines, but they will take time, and with the unclear protective immunological response to infection, it is not certain that vaccines will be very effective. In summary, COVID-19 is a disease that is highly infectious and spreads rapidly through society. It is often quite symptomless and might pass unnoticed, but it also causes severe disease, and even death, in a proportion of the population, and our most important task is not to stop spread, which is all but futile, but to concentrate on giving the unfortunate victims optimal care. I declare no competing interests. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...035-7/fulltext |
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12-30-2020, 05:23 PM | #50525 | |
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12-30-2020, 05:24 PM | #50526 |
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12-30-2020, 05:28 PM | #50527 |
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12-30-2020, 05:30 PM | #50528 |
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I was always told people in Sweden were doing a lot of the mitigation on their own thus it was hurting their economy. At least that's what was said on here when there was discussion about economies and lockdowns, etc.
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12-30-2020, 05:32 PM | #50529 | |
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Of course Tegnell would not do everything the same. That's because he is a scientist and has a brain. He admitted that they should have gotten even more careful with the elderly homes. That's a piece of the overall strategy but does not say "I wish I killed more people like NY and ruined more lives". Maybe the King Of Sweden met the British royals when they were discussing their plans in this brave new world. Good for them. Not my type. I side with workers in America and small enterprise and business in my country. |
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Some States May Be Well on Their Way to Herd Immunity
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12-30-2020, 05:37 PM | #50531 | |
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12-30-2020, 05:37 PM | #50532 |
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So, if the deal is people who have had the virus are immune and as we hear today, the CDC said 100m+ have been infected then where does that leave us?
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12-30-2020, 05:38 PM | #50533 | |
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Robert M. Kaplan, Ph.D., is a faculty member at Stanford Medical School Clinical Excellence Research Center, a former associate director of the National Institutes of Health, and a former chief science officer for the U.S. Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality. |
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12-30-2020, 05:43 PM | #50534 | |
Now you've pissed me off!
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12-30-2020, 05:45 PM | #50535 |
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Okay, if you say so. I don't see how one gets to be where he is doing sloppy work but whatevs......
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