***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Donger, the man changed his target based on a poll of how many people would be getting the vaccine. He said 75% and when he heard more people would get the vaccine he went to 85%. That's not how that works, bro.

No one is saying more people getting vaccinated is wrong. I see you are moving your goalposts so I am out of this with you.

Yes, he wants more people to take it, pete.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

They did. You are a liar. You would be best suited to a minor role in China as a bootlicker for the Chinese Communist Party.

Political post. Reported.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes, he wants more people to take it, pete.

So you're admitting he is purposely lying. We got it.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by RunKC

According to CNBC only 1 million doses have been given but over 9 million were shipped?

What the hell is going on?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnb...-december.html

More like 2 million, and the data is stale:

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

So you're admitting he is purposely lying. We got it.

No, he's not lying. If he said that it was still 60%, he'd be lying, because he knows that's not accurate.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

No, he's not lying. If he said that it was still 60%, he'd be lying, because he knows that's not accurate.

okay

Herd immunity takes x% of being vaccinated.

He said x = 75% when he thought 50% of people would get vaccinated.

He changed x to = 85% when he thought 60% of people would get vaccinated.

That makes 0 sense.

[petegz28]

I guess I didn't realize the % of people needed to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity was based on a poll.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Donger

More like 2 million, and the data is stale:

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations

That’s extremely disappointing. The gov planned for 20 million people vaccinated by the end of this week.

My wife said that the med staff at her hospital are getting shot 2 of Pfizer next week.

Just want to get this thing rolling. Get healthcare workers and elderly people vaccinated by end of January. We need to get this moving faster

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

okay

Herd immunity takes x% of being vaccinated.

He said x = 75% when he thought 50% of people would get vaccinated.

He changed x to - 85% when he thought 60% of people would get vaccinated.

That makes 0 sense.

Okay, crayon time...

He saw that more people were moving toward taking the vaccine, meaning acceptance. He knows that the more people who get vaccinated will end this faster, with fewer deaths and everything else. So, seeing the acceptance, he bumped the HI estimate up to convince even more people to get stuck.

[O.city]

Well, looks like no vaccine for dentist in MO until the end of January at the earliest. They're allocating it mostly to long term care facilities and hospitals and aren't getting the shipments they thought here at the health department.

Oh well.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

Okay, crayon time...

He saw that more people were moving toward taking the vaccine, meaning acceptance. He knows that the more people who get vaccinated will end this faster, with fewer deaths and everything else. So, seeing the acceptance, he bumped the HI estimate up to convince even more people to get stuck.

You're spinning yourself into a circle, Dinger

The % of people required to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity is not based on the acceptance levels according to a poll.

It either takes x% or it doesn't. If more people are accepting then great. But that doesn't change what it takes.

Have fun squirming. I am done with you for the day.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Well, looks like no vaccine for dentist in MO until the end of January at the earliest. They're allocating it mostly to long term care facilities and hospitals and aren't getting the shipments they thought here at the health department.

Oh well.

That kinda sucks but I kinda get it. I think think the goal of most is to start knocking down the deaths. Spread among, younger and healthier individuals is the price you pay to get the death #'s down I guess.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

The % of people required to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity is not based on the acceptance levels according to a poll.

It either takes x% or it doesn't. If more people are accepting then great. But that doesn't change what it takes.

Have fun squirming. I am done with you for the day.

I'm aware that it's not, pete, and I didn't claim it was. As Fauci acknowledges, we don't know what the percentage is, so it seems clear that he's doing what he can to convince as many people to get stuck as he can, as I've said a few times.

It's not a difficult concept to understand.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

That kinda sucks but I kinda get it. I think think the goal of most is to start knocking down the deaths. Spread among, younger and healthier individuals is the price you pay to get the death #'s down I guess.

It's fine. Kind of expected it.

The vaccine rollout should have theoretically been alot smoother IMO. I'm not sure what has happened.

[louie aguiar]

Originally Posted by Donger

Both links go to the same November 13 text. Try again.

Click on the link under "Original Version." It doesn't link to the 11/13 text. The text of how herd immunity is defined has changed (assuming the text from the archived file is accurate).