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12-14-2020, 09:44 PM | #49546 | |
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I think the thing that's fascinating about the vaccination reluctance is that it points out the world we live in, which is not necessarily the world that we like to think we live in. We all like to imagine that we're lions, wandering the plains at will, masters of our destiny and slave to none. It's a noble thought. But the truth is that we're all house cats. We're domesticated and we have to be. We can't have 7 billion lions wandering the plains because we'll all kill each other. We have to co-exist and respect each others' food dishes and litter boxes. The way we got here is both proof of that and the result of that. We got to this spot because we're not solo hunter-gatherers any more. People started specializing in what they do well and it provided us all sorts of advantages to do that. Specialization allowed the population to grow beyond what is feasible for lions, but something that is quite comfortable for house cats. I get Dr. Pepper even though I have no idea what's in it because someone else does. I have people who learn to fly Boeing passenger planes so I don't have to. I have people who choreograph showgirl dance numbers for me and others who make racy costumes for them. There's a price I pay for all of that Dr. Pepper and international travel and scantily clad showgirls. I have to protect and respect the people who make them. So I do things like pay taxes and not shoot guns in the air on New Year's Eve and get vaccinated so I don't kill a bunch of them. It's not as if we chose to create this world. We were born into it. Short of an imaginative mass genocide plan or interstellar travel, there's no going back from house cat to lion. And the genocide thing has been tried, but no one can win a land war in Asia. So what do we house cats do? We live comfortably and enjoy our cat treats and we live as good citizens in the society that makes them for us. While we may dream of being lions, and it's a noble dream, we have to behave within the reality that we're house cats and sometimes do what's best for everyone. Last edited by Rain Man; 12-14-2020 at 09:52 PM.. |
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12-14-2020, 09:47 PM | #49547 | |
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It's up to you now. As it should be. |
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12-14-2020, 09:52 PM | #49548 | |
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This is the correct and logical answer. Once the population as a whole has had the opportunity then it’s back to normal. People are craving it and need it financially, emotionally, and mentally. The bar is not a certain percentage vaccinated, it’s opportunity for it and for everyone to have had a chance. |
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12-14-2020, 09:56 PM | #49549 |
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I thought within the injection is a microchip, which can be detected by cell phones, thus letting you access events and such, and whom to avoid.
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12-14-2020, 09:57 PM | #49550 | ||
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I know there's technically a question remaining about whether a vaxxed person can still spread it. I'm assuming here that they won't, because it would be a bummer if they do. Last edited by Rain Man; 12-14-2020 at 10:06 PM.. |
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12-14-2020, 10:11 PM | #49551 |
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My take on the idea that people can still be carriers after getting the vaccine is similar to my take on people getting COVID twice. Can it happen? Probably. But it would be pretty different than our previous experiences if it were true for more than fringe cases.
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12-14-2020, 10:14 PM | #49552 |
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But you're going to wear your mask because possibility vs. probability.....
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12-14-2020, 10:20 PM | #49553 |
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Yeah, I've got to agree on that. That's the logical assumption. It never even occurred to me that a vaxxed spreader was possible until it started getting disccussed.
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12-14-2020, 10:23 PM | #49554 |
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I guess, just to be clear, I would assume that the 5% who are unlucky enough to not be immune would be possible carriers. It's the that the other 95% could be spreading it all over the place that seems unlikely to me.
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12-14-2020, 10:24 PM | #49555 | |
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It's easy for someone who like Gates to tell everyone else to just lock down and stay home. |
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12-14-2020, 10:31 PM | #49556 |
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I took Gates comments to be about California being that extreme manner. Most of America is not that way now. There is 0 reason to believe we would have to be more stringent than we have been at any point up to this time now that vaccines are starting to roll out.
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12-14-2020, 10:35 PM | #49557 | |
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12-15-2020, 01:16 AM | #49558 |
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A Women immigrant from Hungry is the genius behind mRNA. Who’s idea for using mRNA against virus’s cost her jobs at two universities. But, Who’s laughing now?
————————————————————————— 'Redemption': How a scientist's unwavering belief in mRNA gave the world a Covid-19 vaccine https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-h...ave-world/amp/ For Katalin Karikó, vaccine approval is a validation of 40 years of hard work, and opens the door to a new generation of medicines |
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12-15-2020, 02:16 AM | #49559 |
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Just because I'm tired of strictly thinking negative. It's amazing to think about all of the good that will come out of COVID-19. We should have some pretty amazing medical advancements and this is good training for if we have another much more dangerous pandemic. I'll be interested in a couple of years from now to see what has come from Covid.
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12-15-2020, 06:33 AM | #49560 |
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Remember our initial discussions on reproduction factors back in March. The vaccine doesn't have to prevent even the 95% of people who it is effective on from being carriers. As long as the threshold is greater than what is needed for herd immunity then, at best, only localized outbreaks would occur, but none of them would be large enough to initiate exponential growth.
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