***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Well then this vaccine wont stop shit apparently.

Do I really need to list the long history of diseases that have been eradicated by vaccines?

Look, I know that you don't like the "force people to get it" angle. And I get it. I just have trouble understanding why people would prefer to live with this shit forever over something that will cost you nothing other than a little inconvenience and some feeling like The Man shoved his vaccine dick up your ass. Get over it so that society can move on.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

For ****s sake guys.

If we have a high rate of vaccination, yea, we could likely eliminate SARS cov 2. Corona viruses don’t mutate like influenza viruses so if that stays the case, yeah, we could get rid of it.

Just like we could measles if everyone was vaccinated

Really? Then why is the common cold, which is a corona virus, still alive and very contagious?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Ok then. You doubt 70% will get vaccinated?

I hope we get to that. With acquired immunity from infection at the rate this thing is going now we should get there sooner than later paired with a vaccine

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Really? Then why is the common cold, which is a corona virus, still alive and very contagious?

Because we have waning immunity to them, there’s a lot of them, and not all the common colds are corona viruses.

You’ve got rhinoviruses and adenovirus and a bunch of others.

And there’s no incentive to make a vaccine for those because we have built in immunity to them (even if it wanes) and they don’t cause the damage this one does

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Do I really need to list the long history of diseases that have been eradicated by vaccines?

Look, I know that you don't like the "force people to get it" angle. And I get it. I just have trouble understanding why people would prefer to live with this shit forever over something that will cost you nothing other than a little inconvenience and some feeling like The Man shoved his vaccine dick up your ass. Get over it so that society can move on.

Why would someone prefer to smoke when they know it rots their lungs and causes cancer?

Why would someone prefer to drink when they know it rots their liver and causes cirrhosis?

Why would someone prefer to eat fast food when they know it increases the chance of diabetes, heart disease and high blood pressure?

Society can move on just like it does with all the other shit. You get vaccinated and take care of you. Just like people who get the flu shot vs. those who do not.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by O.city

Because we have waning immunity to them, there’s a lot of them, and not all the common colds are corona viruses.



You’ve got rhinoviruses and adenovirus and a bunch of others.



And there’s no incentive to make a vaccine for those because we have built in immunity to them (even if it wanes) and they don’t cause the damage this one does

If one of them suddenly started killing people by the millions, it's pretty likely we'd develop a vaccine for it.

You know how I know that? Because it did, and we did.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Do I really need to list the long history of diseases that have been eradicated by vaccines?

Look, I know that you don't like the "force people to get it" angle. And I get it. I just have trouble understanding why people would prefer to live with this shit forever over something that will cost you nothing other than a little inconvenience and some feeling like The Man shoved his vaccine dick up your ass. Get over it so that society can move on.

I'm not an anti-vaxer. (Not that you claimed that). I just think its unreasonable to ignore why some people dont trust this whole deal.

I think in the end most people would stand on their head on fire for 30 minutes to get the vaccine even if they claim otherwise if it means this bullshit is over.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Because we have waning immunity to them, there’s a lot of them, and not all the common colds are corona viruses.

You’ve got rhinoviruses and adenovirus and a bunch of others.

And there’s no incentive to make a vaccine for those because we have built in immunity to them (even if it wanes) and they don’t cause the damage this one does

And as many scientists have said, Covid will eventually be similar. Might take a long time but it will get there.

[O.city]

Personal choices are a bit different than an infectious disease

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

And as many scientists have said, Covid will eventually be similar. Might take a long time but it will get there.

Years from now, sure.

Or we could take a vaccine and be done with it

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by DaFace

If immunity rates are low, COVID won't go away. That's all there is to it.

and we are ****ed. There won’t be a normal again for a long time if we **** up the vaccine by ignoring it.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Years from now, sure.

Or we could take a vaccine and be done with it

Well when you get everyone in the world vaccinated we can talk about it being done. Until then not gonna happen.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

And as many scientists have said, Covid will eventually be similar. Might take a long time but it will get there.

...if we don't get immunity up high enough to eliminate it.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Personal choices are a bit different than an infectious disease

That's your opinion. You don't get to tell other people how to think about something. Get vaccinated and you don't have to worry about it. See how that works?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

...if we don't get immunity up high enough to eliminate it.

MAtt Cassel will win a SB before we eliminate Covid.