***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

How the **** did it hit that place to start with?

The PNW has a large Asian population, relatively.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

The PNW has a large Asian population, relatively.

Sure,

I get that, but being that it was a nursing home. How could someone with some form a medical training expose those people.

I get that they might have no known, but damn that is some negligent behavior.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Sure,

I get that, but being that it was a nursing home. How could someone with some form a medical training expose those people.

I get that they might have no known, but damn that is some negligent behavior.

I would imagine a visitor who had recently traveled from China.

[ChiliConCarnage]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Sure,

I get that, but being that it was a nursing home. How could someone with some form a medical training expose those people.

I get that they might have no known, but damn that is some negligent behavior.

It could have been a visiting family member, chaplain, hospice worker. I don't think we know who started it at the facility.

[TLO]

So, maybe locking down King County might not be a bad idea right about now. It's unfortunate, but we're probably going to see more of these nursing home folks pass away.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by TLO

Was just listening to the daily WHO briefing.

They mentioned that containment IS working. This virus is unique in the fact that it isn't like influenza, as if this was the case - we'd have seen many more cases by now. Top priority for all countries right now needs to be containment.

The flu has an R0 value of 1.3. The coronavirus has a R0 value between 2-3. So actually, it spreads and is transmissible almost twice as much as the regular flu.

[Iowanian]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Here's one thing I haven't seen discussed.

If this gets really really bad, and people decide to flee urban areas, what are the logistics of that?

Will it be possible only up to a certain point?

The last thing I want is to get stuck in the middle of mass hysteria and gridlock on 71 highway.

I'd start by staying out of Rural areas. Ants will not be excited to be over-run by grasshoppers.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Iowanian

I'd start by staying out of Rural areas. Ants will not be excited to be over-run by grasshoppers.

Not a chance. I'm heading for the family fort.

[KChiefs1]

Stay away from people.

[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by TLO

So, maybe locking down King County might not be a bad idea right about now. It's unfortunate, but we're probably going to see more of these nursing home folks pass away.

That’s a sanctuary city right?

[TLO]

Originally Posted by BWillie

The flu has an R0 value of 1.3. The coronavirus has a R0 value between 2-3. So actually, it spreads and is transmissible almost twice as much as the regular flu.

I'm not sure how he explained it - maybe I'll re-watch and pay closer attention to that part.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Donger

I would imagine a visitor who had recently traveled from China.

Originally Posted by ChiliConCarnage

It could have been a visiting family member, chaplain, hospice worker. I don't think we know who started it at the facility.

the guy could have had the virus for days. Had no symptoms of a cold or flu. Yet still transferred the virus. So I’d wait to see if he had symptoms. If so, no one should be working at a nursing home with cold or flu symptoms.

[Beef Supreme]

[Donger]

I wonder how many transmissions would be prevented if people just stopped shaking hands and instead did the "elbow bump."

[Coyote]

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