***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

This is nonsense. The difference is the opinion on what we should be doing. I don't know a single person that thinks Covid is a non issue.

I know several people that think it's a non issue. Like the person working at the lumber store while symptomatic with Covid.

[tyecopeland]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

This is nonsense. The difference is the opinion on what we should be doing. I don't know a single person that thinks Covid is a non issue.

I know several.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Outside of the tone, which aspects of his post do you disagree with?

• Mask usage is lower in rural areas than urban areas.
• People in rural areas are less likely to believe that COVID is a problem at all.
• Rural areas are being hit disproportionately hard by COVID in the past month.
• Educational attainment is much lower in rural areas than in urban areas.

Absolutely. And the scary thing is IN GENERAL, rural areas have a larger elderly population based on percentage.

[BWillie]

I asked my family what steps they are taking to ensure my grandparents and my old aunts & uncles are safe during Thanksgiving. I asked if people are going to wear masks and if less people are coming to Thanksgiving. I questioned to my mom if it is worth it for us all to get together this year and she called me selfish.

We are going to get keep getting ****ing hammered. It's going to get worse, alot worse.

[Hawker007]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I haven't dug deeply into the studies they used to form their recommendation, but the placebo effect is a very real and well-documented thing. It's possible that that the person you knew would have recovered just as well without it. That's why randomized, controlled trials are so important.

Sounds like our own FDA disagrees with the WHO as they just approved its use in combination with another drug.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Outside of the tone, which aspects of his post do you disagree with?

• Mask usage is lower in rural areas than urban areas.
• People in rural areas are less likely to believe that COVID is a problem at all.
• Rural areas are being hit disproportionately hard by COVID in the past month.
• Educational attainment is much lower in rural areas than in urban areas.

I can't speak for rural Missouri but I live in rural Iowa and can say that:

1 is false.
2 is false.
3 is true.
4 is false.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I can't speak for rural Missouri but I live in rural Iowa and can say that:

1 is false.
2 is false.
3 is true.
4 is false.

#4 is a real joke

[O.city]

After being in rural and urban areas, I’d say there’s some truth in all of those

[Donger]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I can't speak for rural Missouri but I live in rural Iowa and can say that:

1 is false.
2 is false.
3 is true.
4 is false.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...736v3.full.pdf

Additionally, the odds of observing a mask on an urban or suburban shopper were ~4x that for rural areas.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Donger

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...736v3.full.pdf

Additionally, the odds of observing a mask on an urban or suburban shopper were ~4x that for rural areas.

Irrelevant, as usual.

I said IOWA.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

#4 is a real joke

I mean, that one's just pure fact. Here's one article that took 5 seconds of googling.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by O.city

After being in rural and urban areas, I’d say there’s some truth in all of those

Sure, Jan

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DaFace

You must live in a strange bubble, as that one's by far the easiest one to prove. Here's one article that took 5 seconds of googling.

So you absolutely ARE making an elitist argument.

Rural kids graduate from high school at a higher rate than urban kids. That is the American minimum standard for "education".

Let's add geo warfare to class and race warfare. Dipshits.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

So you absolutely ARE making an elitist argument.

Rural kids graduate from high school at a higher rate than urban kids. That is the American minimum standard for "education".

Let's add geo warfare to class and race warfare. Dipshits.

That's literally contradicted by the data you just replied to...

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

So you absolutely ARE making an elitist argument.

Rural kids graduate from high school at a higher rate than urban kids. That is the American minimum standard for "education".

Let's add geo warfare to class and race warfare. Dipshits.

Hate to see it coming from him of all people

Extremely disappointing