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ROYC75 · 08-12-2014, 04:26 PM

Discussion: All things Broncos.

Quesadilla Joe · 08-29-2022, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

What the **** do agents know about talent evaluation?

That Let's Reach inherited a top 5 HC and QB and is unworthy of accolades?

BleedingRed · 08-29-2022, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

Easy? You guys almost lost to Drew Lock last year.

Quesadilla Joe · 08-29-2022, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

But he drafted Patrick Surtain in the top 10! He's a genius!

I swear it's just like Elway with Von Miller all over again.

Not just Patrick Surtain at #9, but also:

Javonte Williams in the 2nd
Quinn Meinerz and Baron Browning in the 3rd
Caden Sterns in the 5th
Jonathon Cooper in the 7th

(This was all in one draft, which happened to be his first, btw)

**RealSNR** · 08-29-2022, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

What the **** do agents know about talent evaluation?

Exactly.

I’m guessing Kirk Cousins’ agent REALLY likes Paton!

MagicHef · 08-29-2022, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Broncos were up with 8 minutes left in the 4th quarter. Maybe "almost" was a strong word, but again: Drew Lock.

In fact, Lock had as many TDs as Mahomes in that game. Yikes.

Sassy Squatch · 08-29-2022, 10:57 AM

Especially if they're trying to point to his time in Minnesota as anything other than laughable. 2 playoff wins since the 2010s and they were both chokejob gifts by the Saints. There's nothing to hang his hat on as far as that goes.

RunKC · 08-29-2022, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

Not just Patrick Surtain at #9, but also:

Javonte Williams in the 2nd
Quinn Meinerz and Baron Browning in the 3rd
Caden Sterns in the 5th
Jonathon Cooper in the 7th

(This was all in one draft, which happened to be his first, btw)

Veach had a better draft than Paton and he didn’t even have a first rd pick

Bolton, Creed and Smith over that garbage any day

BleedingRed · 08-29-2022, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

Broncos were up with 8 minutes left in the 4th quarter. Maybe "almost" was a strong word, but again: Drew Lock.

In fact, Lock had as many TDs as Mahomes in that game. Yikes.

There a children in grade school who have never seen the Bronco's beat the Chiefs.

TEX · 08-29-2022, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

Broncos were up with 8 minutes left in the 4th quarter. Maybe "almost" was a strong word, but again: Drew Lock.

In fact, Lock had as many TDs as Mahomes in that game. Yikes.

KC ran the clock out, could easily have scored again. It was like a practice game. I get that it's all you have these days.

Was this # 12 or # 13 in a row? I forget...

Quesadilla Joe · 08-29-2022, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Veach had a better draft than Paton and he didn’t even have a first rd pick

Bolton, Creed and Smith over that garbage any day

Again, positional value. Hitting on a good guard, center and run defending ILB isn't the same thing as hitting on a good corner or pass rusher.

The rest of Veach's drafts have been absolute shit, and you know it.

RaidersOftheCellar · 08-29-2022, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

That Let's Reach inherited a top 5 HC and QB and is unworthy of accolades?

8 or 9 of his draft picks from this year alone will make the team. A team that has dominated the AFC the past 4 years.

Why's Paton deserving of accolades again? Oh, for finding a pretty good corner in the top 10, which statistically is a given?

Quesadilla Joe · 08-29-2022, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

Why's Paton deserving of accolades again? Oh, for finding a pretty good corner in the top 10, which statistically is a given?

CP would've drafted Justin Fields over Surtain, which was literally the worst player Denver could've drafted at #9.

BlackOp · 08-29-2022, 11:20 AM

One thing is certain...NFL inc. rewards owners that invest in their brand.

Donks have been out of preferential loop since Bowlen died...and his spoiled, brat children inherited the team. There has been a lot of movement in the AFCW since then too...which took precedence.

Raiders relocated and have a new stadium. Chargers relocated but are essentially a parasite to the Rams. NFL isnt interested is coddling them and views them more as a problem. They are directly competing with Kroenke's market and his $4 billion investment. Chiefs landed a generational "face of the league" QB at a time the NFL desperately needed one. Even the "old money" controllers of the original NFL couldn't keep their vendetta against the Hunt family and their part is creating a rival league.

Now, the Donks have new blood. Walton invested a record amount into the 'good old boys" club...and brought in a globalist ex-politician/war merchant for good measure. Goodell even got involved to facilitate player movement...which is not a good sign. The controller of NFL narratives had a "hands on" role in this deal.

Since this transaction, nearly every aspect of the franchise has been artificially inflated in the media. Sometimes, these narratives are repeated across multiple networks...on the same day. This is a coordinated play...along with schedule makers giving them the easiest start to year...while giving KC the hardest start in NFL history. ESPN sold a piece that Denver now has the #4 OL in the league...while adding no one. Every ranking system had them at 15 or lower including ESPN's own just a few months before.

Just to point out how owner preference works...take a look back to 2018. The SB should have been Brees/Mahomes. It took some of the worst 4th quarter officiating, simultaneously, to appease Kraft and Kroenke. NFL even had to feign a rule change as fans boycotted the SB. Fans got Brady vs. Goff in some manufactured Frankenstein power-play of an ownership match-up. They chose ownership investment hierarchy over a HOF QB swan song SB departure...it shows where their loyalties truly are.

Anyway...Donks, on paper, are a 7-9 win team. Potentially 9 wins if they avoid injury to their starting OL, DE and WR. They have some atrocious depth across the board...and an inexperienced coaching staff. Their HC appears more of a "rah rah" type as opposed to a disciplinarian in Fangio.

The good news for Donk nation...is the NFL is actively pushing your new "Walton" brand. If there is one game the narrative makers have circled, its the national home game against KC. This is your SB....SNF, new ownership, new QB against a rival that has won 13 straight. Getting swept again destroys all the false-narrative creation they've been actively pushing for months...they are in the business of selling hope. They will allow KC to win the game a few weeks later...

That's my take...I expect some "unexpected wins" down the stretch to create late season seeding drama and to pad Vegas' coffers...just like last year. You should be the beneficiaries of this play too...

It's not all doom gloom...if your team stays healthy enough to convincingly sell the manufactured narrative....you might get a last second Steelers type entry into the dance.

FlaChief58 · 08-29-2022, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

8 or 9 of his draft picks from this year alone will make the team. A team that has dominated the AFC the past 4 years.

Why's Paton deserving of accolades again? Oh, for finding a pretty good corner in the top 10, which statistically is a given?

That and trading away TWO drafts and players for a fat declining qb

RunKC · 08-29-2022, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

Again, positional value. Hitting on a good guard, center and run defending ILB isn't the same thing as hitting on a good corner or pass rusher.

The rest of Veach's drafts have been absolute shit, and you know it.

Congrats. You got a good corner with a top 10 pick in a very good draft class. That’s really all he’s drafted so far.

If positional value doesn’t mean anything then Javonte Williams isn’t really that impressive.

I mean Veach got a RB off the street (McKinnon) who average almost a full YPC better than Williams

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BlackOp MVP BlackOp's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2012	One thing is certain...NFL inc. rewards owners that invest in their brand. Donks have been out of preferential loop since Bowlen died...and his spoiled, brat children inherited the team. There has been a lot of movement in the AFCW since then too...which took precedence. Raiders relocated and have a new stadium. Chargers relocated but are essentially a parasite to the Rams. NFL isnt interested is coddling them and views them more as a problem. They are directly competing with Kroenke's market and his $4 billion investment. Chiefs landed a generational "face of the league" QB at a time the NFL desperately needed one. Even the "old money" controllers of the original NFL couldn't keep their vendetta against the Hunt family and their part is creating a rival league. Now, the Donks have new blood. Walton invested a record amount into the 'good old boys" club...and brought in a globalist ex-politician/war merchant for good measure. Goodell even got involved to facilitate player movement...which is not a good sign. The controller of NFL narratives had a "hands on" role in this deal. Since this transaction, nearly every aspect of the franchise has been artificially inflated in the media. Sometimes, these narratives are repeated across multiple networks...on the same day. This is a coordinated play...along with schedule makers giving them the easiest start to year...while giving KC the hardest start in NFL history. ESPN sold a piece that Denver now has the #4 OL in the league...while adding no one. Every ranking system had them at 15 or lower including ESPN's own just a few months before. Just to point out how owner preference works...take a look back to 2018. The SB should have been Brees/Mahomes. It took some of the worst 4th quarter officiating, simultaneously, to appease Kraft and Kroenke. NFL even had to feign a rule change as fans boycotted the SB. Fans got Brady vs. Goff in some manufactured Frankenstein power-play of an ownership match-up. They chose ownership investment hierarchy over a HOF QB swan song SB departure...it shows where their loyalties truly are. Anyway...Donks, on paper, are a 7-9 win team. Potentially 9 wins if they avoid injury to their starting OL, DE and WR. They have some atrocious depth across the board...and an inexperienced coaching staff. Their HC appears more of a "rah rah" type as opposed to a disciplinarian in Fangio. The good news for Donk nation...is the NFL is actively pushing your new "Walton" brand. If there is one game the narrative makers have circled, its the national home game against KC. This is your SB....SNF, new ownership, new QB against a rival that has won 13 straight. Getting swept again destroys all the false-narrative creation they've been actively pushing for months...they are in the business of selling hope. They will allow KC to win the game a few weeks later... That's my take...I expect some "unexpected wins" down the stretch to create late season seeding drama and to pad Vegas' coffers...just like last year. You should be the beneficiaries of this play too... It's not all doom gloom...if your team stays healthy enough to convincingly sell the manufactured narrative....you might get a last second Steelers type entry into the dance. Last edited by BlackOp; 08-29-2022 at 11:47 AM..
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