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02-19-2022, 01:56 PM | #31 |
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Why should he make more?
1) Hopkins' contract is ridiculously more than any other receiver contract out there (5.5m per more) 2) Hill is not the best receiver in the NFL. He's HOF caliber good and that speed is special but he's not the best right now. |
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02-19-2022, 02:30 PM | #32 |
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There's just not a package I would take for him while the Chiefs are in this current window. Even if someone offered two firsts, I'd say no thanks.
A rookie WR is going to take time to get up to speed. FA WRs that are available don't stress defenses pre-snap and post-snap the way Hill does. Even if you're adding 2 for the price of a Hill extension, you're suffering a drop-off in explosiveness and are going to lose some of that underneath/intermediate room that is created by teams fearing Hill's ability to get deep. And throwing the assets gained at the defense doesn't work for me. That's not protecting and reinforcing my investment at QB. And I'll add that beyond all the on-field stuff, moving a guy like Hill rather than paying him would be an unpopular move in the locker room, too. |
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02-19-2022, 02:59 PM | #33 | |
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02-19-2022, 03:02 PM | #34 | |
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02-19-2022, 05:06 PM | #35 |
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You have THREE unquestionably elite talents on this team.
Mahomes, Kelce, and Hill. Why the hell would you trade one? Bird in the hand, man. Bird in the hand. |
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02-19-2022, 09:02 PM | #36 | |
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02-21-2022, 11:26 AM | #37 |
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02-21-2022, 11:33 AM | #38 |
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Report is right now that Adams is going to want $30 million a season. Not to say that he's going to get it but if Adams signs before Hill (and why would Hill do that), he could end up wanting close to that.
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02-21-2022, 03:50 PM | #39 | |
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I get it, you need playmakers but the question for me is to what extent? The Patriots won a lot of football games, and SBs, with a couple of $5m per WRs and a HOF caliber TE to go with a HOF QB. The Chiefs have the QB and TE. Now, maybe those $5m per guys are now $10m per guys but the theory remains. Do you drop 30m per on a single WR or do you get a couple of guys like Chark and Kirk for $10-12 per instead? Then we have the situation where a lot of guys around here want to keep a $30m receiver and then add a $20m+ #2. |
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02-21-2022, 05:13 PM | #40 |
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A couple people in the thread have stated that Hill doesn't really make the offense run any better. Well, we had this scenario a couple years back in 2019. Maybe some here remember the DET and then the IND games when first Hill then Watkins got hurt and didn't play.
To refresh: in the DET game, Hill was still out, and Sammy got dinged up in that game. Only Kelce was healthy enough to play of our top receivers. The offense scored just 3 TDs, none by a receiver. And while Mahomes did throw for 315 yds, he didn't connect on a single passing TD, his completion % was nearly 10 points lower than his season avg (65.9/57.1), his QBR was 10 points lower than his season avg, and his Passer Rating also took a nosedive (105.3/81.0). In the IND game, with both Sammy and Hill not in the starting lineup and Mecole/Pringle basically taking their places, Patrick's numbers were a little worse. But at least he threw a TD. However, the offense scored just the one TD in an embarrassing offensive disaster against a defense that would go on to give up 26 to a foundering PIT team, 38 to the inconsistent Bucs, and another 38 to the bottom-feeding Jags. 'Nuff said. Last edited by Megatron96; 02-21-2022 at 05:39 PM.. |
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02-21-2022, 05:30 PM | #41 |
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Hill's such a unique talent for this QB and this offense that I struggle to find a 'fair' trade for him. We've seen what trying to put Hardman into that role has yielded and it ain't great.
That said, perhaps the biggest issue is that in order for their to be a market for him, you'd need all the FA options to dry up. And once that happens, your path to getting a replacement is really shut off. I guess if you got someone like Godwin signed, you could turn around and work on the Hill deal with his replacement already in hand. But even then the offense is completely different. Hill and Kelce (plus Mahomes) are just perfect complementary players. I struggle to find a way to truly 'replace' what he brings in, especially during Kelce's remaining championship window. |
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02-21-2022, 06:22 PM | #43 |
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No.
Just, no. NO. NO ****in' way, NO. No. Nope. No. |
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