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Old Yesterday, 02:41 PM  
Mizzou_8541 Mizzou_8541 is offline
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Where does Simone Biles rank?

Where does Simone Biles rank among the best American athletes ever? She’s literally reset the bar for the entire sport. Mahomes level except she’s done it for over a decade and against the world. Who is better? She has multiple routines named after her. Largest margin of victory. She jumps like 12 feet over routine. The oldest to win the all around in 72 years. I don’t know how to do polls, but even if I did what choices would he in the poll? I have two daughters in gymnastics and they both want to be her (obviously not relevant to my question but it’s nice as a dad to see them strive to beat her).
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Old Yesterday, 04:10 PM   #31
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It's tough to compare across sports because the challenges/requirements/opportunities are so different.

Phelps I imagine trained like a beast and had many opportunities and of course a level of physical advantage (size and shape of body and hands, VO2 max etc - physiological things that you can only develop so much) but call his achievements perfection of technique combined with conditioning and mental drive during the event.

Biles, there are physical requirements/abilities etc. as well, but the element of artistry/choreogrpaphy, rhythm etc adds an additional element above swimming that plays into one's success. Swimming there's technique, how you move the water around you, etc, that shaves milliseconds off when done perfectly.

So it's a bit different and hard to compare IMO.

plus, Biles probably changed the sport more. The way Mahomes is changing how QBs play, how kids now are aspiring to play, and how defenses and teams are schemed.
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Old Yesterday, 04:27 PM   #32
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Just my two cents...none of the "sports" with judge scores should be counted the same as sports with a clock or proper scoreboard. You can't fool a clock in swimming. Either you are the fastest person or you're not.

In synchronized diving the other day, the Chinese team was given the benefit of the doubt from judges on the synchronization score even though they were NOT synchronized. Other teams were better synchronized than them, but the judges let China off the hook. Possible money in the pocket of the judges? There have been corruption scandals in the past with Olympic judges in various sports.
I watched that. My wife and I were both yelling at the TV.
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Old Yesterday, 04:36 PM   #33
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For straight up domination and ass-whooping you have to consider Katie Ledecky.

She won the 1500 and could have got out of the pool made a cup of coffee before the next swimmer touched the wall.

She has the top 20 times in the event - in the history of the event.
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Old Yesterday, 04:38 PM   #34
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Definitely behind Greg Lougainis and Brian Boitano
Greg Looseanus definitely has the #1 ranked nickname of all-time.
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Old Yesterday, 04:43 PM   #35
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I would think a good test would be how they compared to their peers in their primes along with how long they sustained that superiority. Looking at Phelps it’s very hard to argue against his dominance for almost two decades.
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Old Yesterday, 04:46 PM   #36
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For straight up domination and ass-whooping you have to consider Katie Ledecky.

She won the 1500 and could have got out of the pool made a cup of coffee before the next swimmer touched the wall.

She has the top 20 times in the event - in the history of the event.
Yeah, Biles has similar domination if we're throwing in non-Olympic performance, which we should, but Ledecky didn't take 2 years off.
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Old Yesterday, 04:46 PM   #37
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For straight up domination and ass-whooping you have to consider Katie Ledecky.

She won the 1500 and could have got out of the pool made a cup of coffee before the next swimmer touched the wall.

She has the top 20 times in the event - in the history of the event.
She also looks like those chicks at that bar scho was bitching about
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Old Yesterday, 05:20 PM   #38
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Just my two cents...none of the "sports" with judge scores should be counted the same as sports with a clock or proper scoreboard. You can't fool a clock in swimming. Either you are the fastest person or you're not.

In synchronized diving the other day, the Chinese team was given the benefit of the doubt from judges on the synchronization score even though they were NOT synchronized. Other teams were better synchronized than them, but the judges let China off the hook. Possible money in the pocket of the judges? There have been corruption scandals in the past with Olympic judges in various sports.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever read.
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Old Yesterday, 05:20 PM   #39
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That's the dumbest thing I've ever read.
You must not read your own posts
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Old Yesterday, 05:24 PM   #40
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She's got about a dozen more years to reach LeBron status.
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Old Yesterday, 05:25 PM   #41
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Go harass Vlad.
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Old Yesterday, 05:27 PM   #42
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In fairness, Phelps had mental issues of his own that led to a dui and a suspension. Unlike biles it just didn’t coincide with the Olympics. Also have to consider that biles is doing this beyond at an age where most gymnasts have long retired.

Still, I just have a hard time saying it’s not Phelps or eventually ledecky.
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Old Yesterday, 05:27 PM   #43
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She's got about a dozen more years to reach LeBron status.
She won't have the chances to choke as much as him.
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Old Yesterday, 05:29 PM   #44
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She won't have the chances to choke as much as him.
Not if her husband has anything to say about it....

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Old Yesterday, 05:29 PM   #45
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She's got about a dozen more years to reach LeBron status.
So second best then?
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