Duncan Idaho's Compendium of Comprehensive Offseason Plans

[Buehler445]

I think if the money is the same I keep Bolton and let Gay walk.

If Tranquil remains cheap there is value there.

Hopefully there is some wizardry that we can do to keep all 3, but that's probably not going to happen. Hopefully Chenal is ready to break fools.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

I think if the money is the same I keep Bolton and let Gay walk.

If Tranquil remains cheap there is value there.

Hopefully there is some wizardry that we can do to keep all 3, but that's probably not going to happen. Hopefully Chenal is ready to break fools.

A little Leo hype for you

[poolboy]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

I think if the money is the same I keep Bolton and let Gay walk.

If Tranquil remains cheap there is value there.

Hopefully there is some wizardry that we can do to keep all 3, but that's probably not going to happen. Hopefully Chenal is ready to break fools.

yeah, its probably not possible but I would love to run back this same LB crew....
They seem to have something special going

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

I think if the money is the same I keep Bolton and let Gay walk.

If Tranquil remains cheap there is value there.

Hopefully there is some wizardry that we can do to keep all 3, but that's probably not going to happen. Hopefully Chenal is ready to break fools.

I keep waiting for a light bulb to come on for Gay and for him to turn into some all-world monster.

Because the flashes he shows are things that maybe literally NOBODY in the NFL can do. I mean he's a truly unique physical talent.

But he's just always been kinda dumb.

But what gets slept on with him is the energy level. I don't care about that all that much for offensive players, but on defense I want SOMEONE who plays with his hair on fire. It was always, IMO, what prevented DJ from being the annual All-Pro his physical skills said he could be. He was just so cerebral, for good and bad. He was always thinking his way through plays.

And sometimes you kinda want someone that's just looking to hurt someone out there. That's looking to fly into an area and make a play. That's able to make a mistake and 2 plays later have a giant shit-eating grin on his face and slapping his teammates on the ass for something they did.

That guy is pretty important to the defensive psyche, IMO.

So while the question will naturally be Gay or Tranquil - they just bring such different things that I don't think that's the right question. I think it's Tranquil or Bolton. And with Gay, it's just a question of money. Keep Tranquil or don't - it's immaterial to the Gay decision, IMO.

If you can afford to retain him, you do it. If you can't - well damn. But whether Tranquil is here or he isn't, I don't think that calculus changes substantially apart from the cap space we have available to us. And I think you DEFINITELY close the door on Gay before you use that cap space on Tranquil.

[Nightfyre]

Can someone please help me understand the Marquise Brown love? In five NFL seasons, he has been healthy for two, barely cracked a thousand yards once. I get that he can make some big plays, but is <1 big play per game average really worth 4/70? Especially when MVS has a similar number of big plays in fewer receptions each year?

I guess I just struggle to get enthusiastic about Brown, and I don't really see where everyone's hype comes from.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Can someone please help me understand the Marquise Brown love? In five NFL seasons, he has been healthy for two, barely cracked a thousand yards once. I get that he can make some big plays, but is <1 big play per game average really worth 4/70? Especially when MVS has a similar number of big plays in fewer receptions each year?

I guess I just struggle to get enthusiastic about Brown, and I don't really see where everyone's hype comes from.

1. He missed 3 games in 3 years in Baltimore. Out of like 54 total. So, he was a generally healthy player until he was shipped to play home games on the garbage field in Arizona.

2. He's not just a big-play guy and not a Valdes-Scantling replacement. They wouldn't be paying him to just run deep routes and be a deep threat. They'd be bringing him in to use him like they used Hill (and planned to use Toney this year).

3. The hype comes from him being a generally productive player when healthy, who can beat guys deep, make guys miss in the open field, and who catches the ball really well. His career drop rate is like 4%, which is really good. And for a little guy, he's surprisingly good in contested catch spots.

4. Of the guys likely to ACTUALLY hit FA (Mike Evans, Calvin Ridley being the other 2 in his tier), he's the youngest and offers the most opportunity to provide more value than the contract he signed.

All things equal, if it were me, I'd go hard after Mike Evans and try to make that happen, if possible. But I think the Chiefs are more likely to covet/target/get Brown.

Basically, if you like Zay Flowers and would like to have Zay Flowers on the Chiefs, you should be interested in Brown.

[Couch-Potato]

Really like those first two picks.

Guyton feels like an Andy Reid type. Very athletic pass blocker with good feet, needs to be coached up. Egbuka is exactly what Andy looks for, he's a route runner and separator. Brown feels like exactly what we need, a fast deep threat that can catch.

[O.city]

I don't actually disagree on the Brown thing, I'm just not up for paying him that. There's just not much upside cooked in there. If he hits his ceiling, maybe. But how likely is that?

[O.city]

final pass rush metrics for interior defenders pic.twitter.com/MvDru7eNvn

— Timo Riske (@PFF_Moo) January 9, 2024

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by O.city

final pass rush metrics for interior defenders pic.twitter.com/MvDru7eNvn

— Timo Riske (@PFF_Moo) January 9, 2024

Given the subjective characteristics of PFF's evaluation, does aggregating this stuff (I won't even call it data) mean anything? Like if Aaron Donald's evaluator has even a little bias, it would just be amplified in the aggregation, for example. Unless there are strictly objective criteria or some measure of control over such "metrics" (which again, I think is objectively a stretch of the capability of the PFF evaluation system) isn't this chart worth as much as any given eye test?

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Given the subjective characteristics of PFF's evaluation, does aggregating this stuff (I won't even call it data) mean anything? Like if Aaron Donald's evaluator has even a little bias, it would just be amplified in the aggregation, for example. Unless there are strictly objective criteria or some measure of control over such "metrics" (which again, I think is objectively a stretch of the capability of the PFF evaluation system) isn't this chart worth as much as any given eye test?

Lots of penalties are objective as well, but we accept that.

I'm a PFF fan, but understand most aren't.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Lots of penalties are objective as well, but we accept that.

I'm a PFF fan, but understand most aren't.

I think PFF got crushed at the outset quite rightfully. But my understanding is that they have diligently worked to improve their product. I don't know any of the specifics but was kind of hoping to foster a conversation with the folks who might keep up on that stuff to lazily get an update.

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by O.city

final pass rush metrics for interior defenders pic.twitter.com/MvDru7eNvn

— Timo Riske (@PFF_Moo) January 9, 2024

Jones and Sneed are both must keeps, regardless of what CP thinks, it can be done.

We have $31m in space already + let MVS walk for +$14m = $45m = $28m Jones & $17m Sneed.... restructure someone (Mahomes, Thuney, or Taylor) to pay the smaller contracts.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Jones and Sneed are both must keeps, regardless of what CP thinks, it can be done.

We have $31m in space already + let MVS walk for +$14m = $45m = $28m Jones & $17m Sneed.... restructure someone (Mahomes, Thuney, or Taylor) to pay the smaller contracts.

How do you intend to address the WR room?

You can't 'run it back' with this team. And if you retain Sneed and Jones, that's what you're committing to.

A) 'Run it back' rarely works
B) This ain't a good enough squad to do that with anyway.

It needs a fairly significant roster shakeup and bringing back both Sneed and Jones will prevent that.