***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Suzzer makes Debbie Downer look like a motivational speaker. Maybe u should remove yourself if you can’t handle people having an opinion

Not the one bitching. I am merely trying to help him since he has the medical issue that makes him susceptible to more health problems because of this type of information in this type of thread. This thread is different than others and everyone knows that to be true.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by cdcox

Not sure about the merit of the exemptions. Covid 19 doesn't know about any exemptions. It seems like the exempt entities should make adjustments in operations (sub-areas, shifts, etc) to achieve effective gatherings of less than 50.

It's Quinon Lucas all he does is try and get headlines but never actually fixes.... anything.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Time for perspective...

Approximately .000009% of the total US population currently has a confirmed case of COVID-19.

Of that tiny %, 80% will have minimal to no symptoms.

65 people have died from COVID-19... .00000017% of the population, which means you are more likely to die in America from a lightening strike.

I am all for a measured (keyword: MEASURED) response to combating COVID-19, but that ship has sailed when you start closing restaurants, banning gatherings, etc.

This response is the equivalent of banning all vehicles/driving to eliminate deaths/injuries from auto accidents.

A key to effective public policy and good governance is measured and reasonable actions that will encourage adherence.

The chance of dying from a lightning strike doesn't exponentially increase if you ignore it.

Auto accidents aren't going to all of a sudden overfill hospitals like Coronavirus has done in multiple countries.


Bad analogies aside, actually having an outline planned that's known before this kind of stuff even starts would probably help some... closing restaurants/bars seems extreme at this point, IMO, outside of possibly very few cities.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by TLO

So I obsessively checked my temperature today. At one point it was around 99.5. I have no other symptoms. Can stress and anxiety cause a rise in body temp? I noted that the temp was higher when I was feeling most anxious. I woke up this morning and it was 97.1

I'm relaxing tonight and its 98.3.

I think there might be a correlation but some reassurance wouldn't hurt.

Your CP profile says you are 30. Take it easy my friend. Sounds like you are of extremely low risk.

[Titty Meat]

Stupid question here and I already know the answer just seeing if anyone else feels this way.....

Like I said I work in a building with thousands. My part time job is bartending. I think it's extremely irresponsible for me to continue this during a pandemic but I literally have no options i'll eventually lose my place, my electricity etc if I sit this out until they give us permission.

Pretty much me and I'm sure many reading this are in the same situation and we're ****ed right? No options other than the obvious continue working?

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Not the one bitching. I am merely trying to help him since he has the medical issue that makes him susceptible to more health problems because of this type of information in this type of thread. This thread is different than others and everyone knows that to be true.

Fair enough. I wasn’t aware.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Stupid question here and I already know the answer just seeing if anyone else feels this way.....

Like I said I work in a building with thousands. My part time job is bartending. I think it's extremely irresponsible for me to continue this during a pandemic but I literally have no options i'll eventually lose my place, my electricity etc if I sit this out until they give us permission.

Pretty much me and I'm sure many reading this are in the same situation and we're ****ed right? No options other than the obvious continue working?

Unfortunately, yeah you don't really have a choice you have to keep working to pay the bills. Just wash your hands as much as you can.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by TLO

What brand works best?

Look for the anti-freeze bottle that has the flaming aids tree on the front.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

The chance of dying from a lightning strike doesn't exponentially increase if you ignore it.

Auto accidents aren't going to all of a sudden overfill hospitals like Coronavirus has done in multiple countries.


Bad analogies aside, actually having an outline planned that's known before this kind of stuff even starts would probably help some... closing restaurants/bars seems extreme at this point, IMO, outside of possibly very few cities.

There is a measured way to deal with this... micro-target the containment and mitigation strategies to minimize disruption to business/society.

People in high risk groups should individually social distance (this is a regular best practice when people have compromised immune systems such as cancer patients going through chemotherapy).

Also as is done with the flu and food borne outbreaks, target mitigation actions towards specific locations that are experiencing a surge of cases (i.e. you don’t close every restaurant in a state or a city if you can target a norovirus food borne outbreak to a specific restaurant).

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Unfortunately, yeah you don't really have a choice you have to keep working to pay the bills. Just wash your hands as much as you can.

Everybody keeps saying to wash their hands. It sounds nice and like an easy way to evade the virus but by far the most common way it is transmitted is by droplets which is being close to an infected person while they are talking or sneezing or coughing.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...nsmission.html

Spread from contact with contaminated surfaces or objects

It may be possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Stupid question here and I already know the answer just seeing if anyone else feels this way.....

Like I said I work in a building with thousands. My part time job is bartending. I think it's extremely irresponsible for me to continue this during a pandemic but I literally have no options i'll eventually lose my place, my electricity etc if I sit this out until they give us permission.

Pretty much me and I'm sure many reading this are in the same situation and we're ****ed right? No options other than the obvious continue working?

I'd suggest rigorous and often disinfecting of your hands and face with some of your employers grain alcohol.....or at least their best vodka.

[candyman]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

I literally have no options i'll eventually lose my place, my electricity etc if I sit this out until they give us permission.

Even if/when they do give you permission to stay home how are you going to pay your bills? Do you expect them to pay you anyway?

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Time for perspective...

Approximately .000009% of the total US population currently has a confirmed case of COVID-19.

Of that tiny %, 80% will have minimal to no symptoms.

65 people have died from COVID-19... .00000017% of the population, which means you are more likely to die in America from a lightening strike.

I am all for a measured (keyword: MEASURED) response to combating COVID-19, but that ship has sailed when you start closing restaurants, banning gatherings, etc.

This response is the equivalent of banning all vehicles/driving to eliminate deaths/injuries from auto accidents.

A key to effective public policy and good governance is measured and reasonable actions that will encourage adherence.

Thank you !!

[Hammock Parties]

[Strongside]

Some of you know my mothers situation. Nurse Practitioner at Menorah, came down with classic CV symptoms a couple days after the first JOCO patient was diagnosed, but the state refused to test her due to her having not “been in contact with someone infected or traveled internationally.”

She is still self-quarantining and, though feeling much better, has not fully recovered.

The night before she got sick, she stayed at my brothers house.

He, his fiancée, and both of their kids now have a 100+ Fever and a dry cough.

My brother refuses to go to the doctor, saying it’s just the flu and they’ll ride it out. He doesn’t make much money and is concerned about the costs associated with going in.

This is why our system is ****ing broken. This is why we won’t contain this thing until it runs its course. People fear our expensive as **** healthcare system more than they utilize it.

I’ve tried to get the kid to go in and get tested. He isn’t budging.

I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.