***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by TLO

Surprised there hasn't been more talk about the new CDC guidelines released last night in here.

Just codifies the status quo: if you're not symptomatic -you're not getting tested.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by TLO

Surprised there hasn't been more talk about the new CDC guidelines released last night in here.

I'm not sure it's as big of an issue as some think. I don't think there's much true asymptomatic spread so it would make sense.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by TLO

Surprised there hasn't been more talk about the new CDC guidelines released last night in here.

Link? Would like to see

[O.city]

I also think if we tested for influenza like we're doing for Covid, we'd find a shit **** ton of asymptomatic people and everyone would freak out.

[TLO]

I linked a tweet last night that summed it up nicely.

🚨The CDC no longer recommends asymptomatic testing, even post-exposure.🚨https://t.co/V8BBGK1yzg pic.twitter.com/VvGJMjKW3N

— Phil Kerpen (@kerpen) August 24, 2020

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

I also think if we tested for influenza like we're doing for Covid, we'd find a shit **** ton of asymptomatic people and everyone would freak out.

I think we'd probably find a lot of the lingering effects we're seeing with people as well.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by TLO

I linked a tweet last night that summed it up nicely.

🚨The CDC no longer recommends asymptomatic testing, even post-exposure.🚨https://t.co/V8BBGK1yzg pic.twitter.com/VvGJMjKW3N

— Phil Kerpen (@kerpen) August 24, 2020

So this part has changed?

If you have been in close contact (within 6 feet) of a person with a COVID-19 infection for at least 15 minutes but do not have symptoms:

You do not necessarily need a test unless you are a vulnerable individual or your health care provider or State or local public health officials recommend you take one.

They previously said that a test was recommended in that scenario?

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Donger

So this part has changed?

If you have been in close contact (within 6 feet) of a person with a COVID-19 infection for at least 15 minutes but do not have symptoms:

You do not necessarily need a test unless you are a vulnerable individual or your health care provider or State or local public health officials recommend you take one.

They previously said that a test was recommended in that scenario?

Correct. Previously, the CDC said viral testing was appropriate for people with recent or suspected exposure, even if they were asymptomatic.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by TLO

Correct. Previously, the CDC said viral testing was appropriate for people with recent or suspected exposure, even if they were asymptomatic.

And what was/is the reason for the change?

[O.city]

I'm guessing it has something to do with supply lines and reagents?

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Donger

And what was/is the reason for the change?

I haven't seen the reasoning anywhere.

Originally Posted by O.city

I'm guessing it has something to do with supply lines and reagents?

This seems reasonable. I've also wondered if it's so that they can shorten turn around times for those that are symptomatic.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by O.city

I also think if we tested for influenza like we're doing for Covid, we'd find a shit **** ton of asymptomatic people and everyone would freak out.

Has there been new info regards to this because the CDC are still saying 40% and 75% of those could transmit? Of course these are just estimates\best guess.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html

[O.city]

Almost all of the contract tracing studies coming out are finding negligible asymptomatic spread.

But i think it's also kind of murky how many true no symptom pts there are.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by O.city

Almost all of the contract tracing studies coming out are finding negligible asymptomatic spread.

But i think it's also kind of murky how many true no symptom pts there are.

Good point and yeah people may think they are asymptomatic but probably do have some minor ones they may not have noticed like their sinuses bothering them or something.

[TLO]

Remember that heart study that came out a while back we were all kinda confused about? Looks like they done ****ed up.

Uh-oh Spaghetti-O's

Errors in Statistical Numbers and Data in Study of Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance Imaging in Patients Recently Recovered From COVID-19

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...stract/2770026