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05-01-2022, 09:05 PM | #42991 |
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05-01-2022, 09:57 PM | #42992 | |
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Looks like Bonitto had a pressure rate of 21.9% in 2021 and 25.7% in 2020.
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05-01-2022, 10:01 PM | #42993 |
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BTW...thanks for the 5th round pick...KC wouldn't have landed their new RT without you.
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05-01-2022, 10:24 PM | #42994 | |
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On the real, I wouldn't ask any ill will on any of those draft picks, but good luck? |
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05-02-2022, 12:51 AM | #42995 | |
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You would think that would be obvious based on the fact that Karlaftis had the 4th highest since 2019, like I said. Also, you asked for a comparison with Oweh, I gave it to you, and you changed the subject entirely. Like Willie Lanier said, you’re just running around in circles at this point. It’s pretty obvious that you are talking/arguing out of your ass. That’s why it’s best not to talk about things you have no clue about. Last edited by staylor26; 05-02-2022 at 01:02 AM.. |
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05-02-2022, 01:01 AM | #42996 |
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As far as I know, PFF is the only place that tracks pressure rate. If it’s from somewhere else, maybe you could provide a link rather than just copying text.
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05-02-2022, 01:14 AM | #42997 | |
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I asked for Oweh’s rate because I knew it wasn’t particularly high, and it’s not (for an OLB). 13% is good for a DE, but isn’t that great for an OLB. This also explains how Karlaftis has the 4th highest, he has the 4th highest for a DE, not overall. This ruins your argument that Oweh was drafted high and succeeded due to his pressure rate. He was drafted high because of his absurd pro day. |
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05-02-2022, 01:23 AM | #42998 | |
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I gave it to you, and you responded by changing the subject to Nik Bonnito. Tell me again, where does PFF have Karlaftis and Bonitto ranked? It’s pretty obvious that you’re arguing in bad faith, so you can just go **** yourself at this point. Again, not trying to persuade you. Just letting you know you’re wrong. |
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05-02-2022, 01:23 AM | #42999 |
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And thus, if you no longer have an argument that high college pressure rate equals success in the NFL, your argument that Karlaftis will therefore succeed loses merit.
I was hoping you could get there on your own after seeing that Oweh's rate didn't match up with many other college OLBs, but I'm not sure you ever would have. |
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05-02-2022, 01:26 AM | #43000 | |
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There’s obviously also projection based on measurbales too in most cases, hence why Bonnito had some great stats himself, yet isn’t anywhere near the prospect that Karlaftis is according to just about everybody. |
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05-02-2022, 01:27 AM | #43001 | |
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05-02-2022, 01:27 AM | #43002 | |
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PFF groups all edge rushers together. |
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05-02-2022, 01:54 AM | #43003 |
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Ok then, why don't you tell me why Nik Bonitto nearly doubled the pressure rate of the guy who had the "4th highest pressure rate since 2019" in 2020, and then blew it away again in 2021?
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05-02-2022, 02:08 AM | #43004 | |
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Bonnito’s pass rush win rate was 29% (2nd) Karlaftis’ pass rush win rate was 23.9% (7th) Other notables: Aidan Hutchinson 25% (5th) Kayvon Thibodeaux 22.8% (10th) Bonnito is a one trick pony that plays in a defense that allowed him to really take advantage of his speed off the edge. He also plays in a soft conference, especially when it comes to the trenches. Bonnito being 2nd means absolutely nothing because he’s an outlier. He’s a pass rush specialist in the NFL. He doesn’t have the size or play strength to be an every down player in the NFL like Karlaftis, Thibodeaux, and Hutchinson. He’s also significantly older than those guys. There’s a reason those guys were 1st round picks and consensus top 20 players (though Karlaftis isn’t in the same tier as the other 2) while Bonnito was a consensus late 2nd/3rd round prospect. |
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05-02-2022, 07:17 AM | #43005 |
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