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\And if you considered Ironman a B level character, which was only in comparison to Spiderman and X-Men, btw, Captain Marvel probably would come in at a D or F level. That's not saying she is a bad character, that is totally debatable. It's just putting her popularity in relation to pre-RDJ Ironman. Last edited by Beef Supreme; 03-07-2019 at 03:55 PM.. |
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03-07-2019, 04:00 PM | #408 |
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03-07-2019, 04:02 PM | #409 | |
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Now B) Precisely because of the the above, I can say that your Iron Man comparison is a pretty bad one. I absolutely knew who Iron man was. He was a pretty top end character, especially as a solo shop rather than an ensemble. I had no earthly idea who Captain Marvel was. Id' say I'm pretty precisely the dividing line in identifying a 'fringe character' vs a fairly major one. I knew of any/all major comic book characters to be part of major motion pictures up until Ant Man (wait...maybe Guardians; did they come before Ant-man? Whatever). I suspect I'm not alone here and my point is precisely to point out that this idea that we're supposed to be galled if people don't flock to see a movie just because a B level Marvel figure is helming it is silly. Ant Man was projected to open at $60 million. This movie's projected at 2-3 times that despite the fact that the main character is of similar repute among the population writ large (which is to say, no cultural cache among the general populace at all). This is a throwaway property being propped up precisely because Marvel wants a strong female lead. Alright, fine - do that. It makes business sense. But don't expect me to care. If the movies good, I'll see it - Ant Man was awesome and more critically it was a needed infusion of light fare in an increasingly heavy MCU. You can argue that a female lead is needed in an increasingly male MCU as well - again, that's fine. But the movie had better be good on its own merits. |
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03-07-2019, 04:14 PM | #410 | |
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Iron Man is an A level character now, but he was relatively obscure in the 90s. That's of course not to bash the character at all, and I'm not alone in that assessment. Quote:
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Captain Marvel will probably do well at the box office, which means we'll see a CM2, and prominent roles in Avengers films. And I agree -- I need it to be a good movie to enjoy myself, too. But Captain America 1 was hardly great, and he went on to have a couple of the best MCU movies ever after that, so let's not pretend like the future of MCU Female Leads depends on this one being excellent. (Not that you're making that argument.) Quote:
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03-07-2019, 04:40 PM | #412 |
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Your 'point' is pointless. Even things that are the biggest piles of shit in their categories have followings. Without discussing the size of the followings, the enthusiasm of the followings, the reasons behind the followings, etc..., you're not doing anything but talking out of your ass.
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03-07-2019, 04:45 PM | #413 |
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I'm ready for this movie to be out so we can stop discussing Brie Larson's ass and whether Captain Marvel is equivalent to Iron Man or Ant Man and actually start talking about whether the movie sucks.
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03-07-2019, 04:52 PM | #414 | |
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Ironman has never been an obscure character. He has always been a member/leader of the Avengers and pretty much always had a solo book on top of that. These were not obscure. They almost always sold well. When people called him a B-level character, they were comparing him to the popularity of Spiderman and the X-men which were wildly popular and had many many simultaneous comic book titles and many reboots in television and film because of that popularity. And Ironman was barely behind that mass popularity. To try and claim Captain Marvel has ever been on the same level of recognizability or popularity as Ironman is ****ing dumbfounding. Ant Man might be a more apt comparison, but he was also a member of the avengers, and the avengers are not some scrub unknown group. And during the 90's comic resurgence, had a solo book that did pretty well. He was also known from a few Saturday morning Avengers cartoon series. Also went by the name Yellowjacket for a while. It's at least in the ballpark with Captain Marvel recognizability and popularity. In my opinion, more so, but, It's not a hill I'm prepared to die on. |
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03-07-2019, 05:38 PM | #417 |
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When did Ironman become a B level character?
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03-07-2019, 05:44 PM | #418 |
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Except she was always an explicitly feminist character. That's why she was Ms. Marvel.
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03-07-2019, 07:30 PM | #419 |
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03-07-2019, 08:34 PM | #420 |
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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...composer=false
If you’re wondering why exactly so many women are comfortable making this movie (and this character in general) a feminist riot grrrrl anthem, it’s because of the comments flooding this benign Marvel ad on Facebook. Captain Marvel has several elements to her appeal, but one clear cultural one is that she is a wholesale rejection of Men’s Rights activism. And you can tell that from the comments here. |
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