***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

That isn't even in the US...

WTF?

Just wait, next he'll be posting about how great HCQ is or how Sweden has done such a great job.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Donger

You don't have any shame, do you.

Policies have consequences.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Policies have consequences.

You're walking a tightrope here.

Care to explain how Fauci's policies are impacting anyone in that article?

[dirk digler]

Long article

We Thought It Was Just a Respiratory Virus
We were wrong.

https://www.ucsf.edu/magazine/covid-body

If you’re exposed to SARS-CoV-2 – say, from a cough or sneeze – the virus will likely first encounter ACE2 receptors on cells in your nose or throat. But these receptors also populate your heart, gut, and other organs. Fattahi’s team has found evidence suggesting that male sex hormones such as testosterone may increase the number of ACE2 receptors that cells produce, which could help explain why SARS-CoV-2 seems to wreak greater havoc on men than on women and why kids rarely get sick. “The fewer ACE2 receptors, the less risk of infection – that’s the idea,” she says, adding that this hypothesis for the disease’s gender gap is only one of several.

Once inside a few initial host cells, the virus sets them to work churning out copies of itself. Within hours, thousands of new virus particles begin bursting forth, ready to infect more cells. Although SARS-CoV-2 is less deadly than the original SARS virus, which emerged in 2002, it replicates more rapidly. Also unlike SARS, which primarily infects the lungs, SARS-CoV-2 replicates throughout the airway, including in the nose and throat, making it highly contagious – like the common cold.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Policies have consequences.

What policy promoted by Fauci has impacted a country in West Africa?

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Just wait, next he'll be posting about how great HCQ is or how Sweden has done such a great job.

The flavor of the week seems to be "masks are hazardous to your health". If you are an old shut-in who gets your information from things people Share on Facebook, anyway.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

So the numbers should be dramatically lower starting tomorrow, right?

The backlog BS is just that IMO...

I follow a guy who gets his numbers from the counties and his numbers are generally higher than DHSS.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

You're walking a tightrope here.

Care to explain how Fauci's policies are impacting anyone in that article?

Locking down a country brings 2nd order effects. Fauci does not make policy for other countries but the big players have been not only locking down in the major industrial countries (which has disrupted global supply chains) but encouraging poorer countries to do so as well.

The disruptions and policies are right there in the article.

The point is that the people making the policies have said they are not looking at the bigger picture, not calculating 2nd order effects. In the US we will see a spike in suicide, heart disease not treated, cancer missed, drug overdoses and crime.

Hunger is also starting to get real here.

Food insecurity for U.S. households last week reached its highest reported level since the Census Bureau started tracking the data in May, with almost 30 million Americans reporting that they’d not had enough to eat at some point in the seven days through July 21.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-eat-last-week

[Donger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Locking down a country brings 2nd order effects. Fauci does not make policy for other countries but the big players have been not only locking down in the major industrial countries (which has disrupted global supply chains) but encouraging poorer countries to do so as well.

The disruptions and policies are right there in the article.

The point is that the people making the policies have said they are not looking at the bigger picture, not calculating 2nd order effects. In the US we will see a spike in suicide, heart attacks not treated, cancer missed, drug overdoses and crime.

Hunger is also starting to get real here.

Food insecurity for U.S. households last week reached its highest reported level since the Census Bureau started tracking the data in May, with almost 30 million Americans reporting that they’d not had enough to eat at some point in the seven days through July 21.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-eat-last-week

So, West Africa notwithstanding, it seems like your issue is with the people in government that actually made the decision to put mitigation efforts into effect.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Donger

So, West Africa notwithstanding, it seems like your issue is with the people in government that actually made the decision to put mitigation efforts into effect.

Sunetra Gupta of Oxford stated that lockdowns were a luxury that poorer countries could not afford. Unfortunately, people like Ferguson and the Imperial College were able to sell his mad science experiment to countries that will absolutely be devastated by this.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Long article

We Thought It Was Just a Respiratory Virus
We were wrong.

https://www.ucsf.edu/magazine/covid-body

Just another excuse to turn us into trannies and soyobys

[Donger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Sunetra Gupta of Oxford stated that lockdowns were a luxury that poorer countries could not afford. Unfortunately, people like Ferguson and the Imperial College were able to sell his mad science experiment to countries that will absolutely be devastated by this.

What would you have preferred Burkina Fasodo do?

[TLO]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

This contradicted itself.

The backlog is cleared, tomorrow will only be from the past 24 hours, we will continue to see numbers similar to today's until the backlog is cleared.


And like I said yesterday the kshb covid tracker compiles the data from the health dept's themselves.

Their numbers aren't THAT far off from the state numbers (which I don't pay any attention to anymore).

IMO they are lying.

I guess we'll see what happens tomorrow and the following days.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Donger

What would you have preferred Burkina Fasodo do?

I am not that familiar with that country specifically but if you have a younger population I would probably have those 65 and older and those at high risk stay home and keep the younger people moving. You can't afford to collapse your economy when so many people are very close to starvation already.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Donger

What on Earth is going on in Missouri?

Originally Posted by dirk digler

No comment

TLO did say that they caught up in their backlog so that is probably what you are seeing.

There has apparently been a backlog, though I'm skeptical as to how much that's truly playing a part.

Also Kansas City and St Louis exist, so that's a thing.