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Old 04-27-2017, 07:19 PM  
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*****The Patrick Mahomes Thread*****
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Old 06-25-2024, 01:31 PM   #40516
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Sounds a lot like Rodgers.
Rodgers is probably the best pure thrower of the football I've ever seen. He belongs on a top 10 list of all time.
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Old 06-25-2024, 01:32 PM   #40517
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Rodgers is probably the best pure thrower of the football I've ever seen. He belongs on a top 10 list of all time.
And he has 1 ring despite playing on some very good Packers teams.
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Old 06-25-2024, 01:34 PM   #40518
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Rodgers is probably the best pure thrower of the football I've ever seen. He belongs on a top 10 list of all time.
Rodgers is more to blame for his single championship ring than any of these guys he so often points fingers at. Just as Marino was.

Both of those guys should have a lot more hardware on their mantle but THEY didn't get it done when it was on their racket. You compare that to Mahomes and yes, Montana, and the key drives and big plays they made when they HAD to get made.

And tell me that stats make the difference.

At that position stats tell, at most, about half the story. Hardware tells a lot.
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Old 06-25-2024, 01:36 PM   #40519
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I'm not gonna argue he's a great dude or a good leader or any of those things.

Just at his peak he is the best pure thrower of the football I've ever seen, his ball placement was remarkable and it's a reason his TD/INT ratio is insane.

I do think GB's front office ****ed him over a few times, they were very passive in helping him out for a long time.
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Rodgers is more to blame for his single championship ring than any of these guys he so often points fingers at. Just as Marino was.

Both of those guys should have a lot more hardware on their mantle but THEY didn't get it done when it was on their racket. You compare that to Mahomes and yes, Montana, and the key drives and big plays they made when they HAD to get made.

And tell me that stats make the difference.

At that position stats tell, at most, about half the story. Hardware tells a lot.
Yup. There are about 3-4 QBs that if the game was on the line and their team was down that I would trust to lead a game winning drive. Those are Mahomes, Brady (yuck!) and Montana.
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Brees and Montana is a solid comparison for what they were in their systems.
No they're ****ing not.

Brees couldn't move.

Montana could ****ing scoot before his back injury.
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Brees and Montana is a solid comparison for what they were in their systems.
And what ultimately distinguishes them is that Montana rose to the occasion at the biggest moments. Brees OTOH has 3 or 4 complete yackers on his post-season resume.

There are a TON of premier statistical QBs that couldn't come through when they needed that one drive or even that one play. Montana was simply never that guy. He made the plays he had to make.

In Mahomes you have Rodgers talent with Montana's poise and processing. You have the baddest mother****er to ever do it and time will absolutely prove that.

But that doesn't do anything to diminish the greatness of Montana.

Let's not go full KCC here and start tearing down icons because we love the new hotness. Greatness is greatness and Montana is loaded with it. Our boy is simply better. And that says more about how spectacular Mahomes is than calling Montana a false idol ever will.
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Yeah Rodgers might be the most talented thrower of the football I’ve ever seen. The velocity on his passes with a flick of the wrist was something I’ve never seen any other QB do.
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So I'd like you to repeat that a few times - with feeling.

"Jim Everett was equal to peak Joe Montana. Peak Joe Montana was no better than Jim Everett"

Go ahead and make that point again for the record because I'd like you to really drive it home.

"Joe Montana was maybe, at his best, slightly better than Jim Everett"

And then tell me more about how the stats tell the story...
Of course Montana was better than Everett, but Montana never statistically dominated the NFL. Mahomes has, while being two conference championship overtime losses away from going to six straight Super Bowls in his first six seasons as a starter...mostly with a subpar defense and/or WR corps.

In an era with a salary cap and free agency, which can't be emphasized enough.
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Of course Montana was better than Everett, but Montana never statistically dominated the NFL. Mahomes has, while being two conference championship overtime losses away from going to six straight Super Bowls in his first six seasons as a starter...mostly with a subpar defense and/or WR corps.

In an era with a salary cap and free agency, which can't be emphasized enough.
Mahomes has every single quality you can list when listing the perfect QB. And he is one of the best, all time, in all those areas other than arm strength. Which is still unbelievably good.

He'll be the first to win 4 straight SB's and win 11 total.
He will smash every record for QB's with distance...
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Of course Montana was better than Everett, but Montana never statistically dominated the NFL.
3rd or better in NFL history in anything that mattered when he retired
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3rd or better in NFL history in anything that mattered when he retired
Longevity doesn't equal domination. He never had the equivalent of Mahomes' 2018 season, even at his peak while surrounded by hall of famers. Not even close.
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Yeah Rodgers might be the most talented thrower of the football I’ve ever seen. The velocity on his passes with a flick of the wrist was something I’ve never seen any other QB do.
Took too many sacks. Mahomes ain't do dat
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Mahomes has every single quality you can list when listing the perfect QB. And he is one of the best, all time, in all those areas other than arm strength. Which is still unbelievably good.

He'll be the first to win 4 straight SB's and win 11 total.
He will smash every record for QB's with distance...
I've not seen an NFL QB with an arm that was clearly stronger.
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Longevity doesn't equal domination. He never had the equivalent of Mahomes' 2018 season, even at his peak while surrounded by hall of famers. Not even close.
Who cares? When he retired he was the best of all time. He had the stats and the rings.

No one was better until late-career Brady.

You're docking him because he didn't have a Marino season? GTFO. Marino was another choker. Stats are for losers.
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