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Old 10-11-2022, 09:22 AM   #2
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Really nice episode.

I really loved the throne room scene, the last dinner, and Daemon’s demeanor around his dying brother. He was stuttering and seemed almost embarrassed to bring up the succession while Viserys was suffering in bed. And the look of sadness he carried for most of the episode was heavy.

Viserys showing the strength to sit the throne one last time and Daemon helping was also well done.

A few things:

Is Diana dead? I thought that was pretty ambiguous. She said she’d never tell anyone and Alicent said she knew. The only way she’d know it is if Diana died right there in that room. I originally assumed the tea was the contraceptive but with Alicent’s wording, I figured it might have been some sort of poison.

I’m loving the sly tension and foreshadowing they’re setting up with Aemond and Daemon. Aemond hasn’t quite challenged Daemon yet and Daemon seems to be more amused with Aemond’s antics to this point. I’d imagine he probably sees a lot of himself in Aemond.

Also regarding Aemond, I thought him standing up in defense of Aegon at dinner was a little strange. Last we saw them, Aegon was a douche, bullying Aemond and we see now that Aegon is even shittier. Aegon isn’t a fighter and doesn’t even want the throne. Seems Aemond would be the type with loftier aspirations who’d want the throne for himself but that doesn’t seem to be the case, at least not yet.

Also someone was asking about her afterwards. She either left with that bag of coins or she's dead. I assumed she left with the bag of coins to start a new life.
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Old 10-11-2022, 09:51 AM   #3
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It was definitely ambiguous, but
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Aemond is super dutiful and about family. So he'd stand up for Aemond in public, even if privately he might think he's an immature frat boy (which is a nice parallel to Alicent explaining this principle to Aegon in the prior episode). And he definitely hasn't forgiven Jace/Luke for the past either, so he'll happily take a chance to get a punch in.

As for wanting the throne, he wouldn't usurp his brother. And I don't think he's motivated by power either. Even if Aegon died right now, I don't think he'd be like "**** yeah, now I get it" ... although he WOULD press his claim, the same way Stannis did. Because at that point he'd think it's his by rights.
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Old 10-11-2022, 11:31 AM   #4
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Also someone was asking about her afterwards. She either left with that bag of coins or she's dead. I assumed she left with the bag of coins to start a new life.
Ah, I didn't notice that she was given coin. Makes sense.

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Aemond is super dutiful and about family. So he'd stand up for Aemond in public, even if privately he might think he's an immature frat boy (which is a nice parallel to Alicent explaining this principle to Aegon in the prior episode). And he definitely hasn't forgiven Jace/Luke for the past either, so he'll happily take a chance to get a punch in.

As for wanting the throne, he wouldn't usurp his brother. And I don't think he's motivated by power either. Even if Aegon died right now, I don't think he'd be like "**** yeah, now I get it" ... although he WOULD press his claim, the same way Stannis did. Because at that point he'd think it's his by rights.
OK. She didn't seem all that important anyway but was curious based on the framing.

Interesting. He has an incredibly punchable face and is shaping up to be a badass so I'm interested in seeing more. I can tell he's a terrible person but he's good for TV.
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Old 10-11-2022, 11:38 AM   #5
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Ah, I didn't notice that she was given coin. Makes sense.
Allicent said something like "This is for your troubles" and handed it to her.
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Old 10-13-2022, 10:16 AM   #6
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Ah, I didn't notice that she was given coin. Makes sense.



OK. She didn't seem all that important anyway but was curious based on the framing.

Interesting. He has an incredibly punchable face and is shaping up to be a badass so I'm interested in seeing more. I can tell he's a terrible person but he's good for TV.
Aemon's countenance and the way he comports himself is really how I've always envisioned Daemon.

I don't hate Matt Smith as much in that role as I thought I would, but man, I think 'old Daemon' would've absolutely killed it. He's just a letter perfect representation of the character as I've always read him. Lean and angular, mean as a viper, incredibly athletic and dangerous.

Like I said - mostly a badass.
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Old 10-13-2022, 10:41 AM   #7
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Aemon's countenance and the way he comports himself is really how I've always envisioned Daemon.

I don't hate Matt Smith as much in that role as I thought I would, but man, I think 'old Daemon' would've absolutely killed it. He's just a letter perfect representation of the character as I've always read him. Lean and angular, mean as a viper, incredibly athletic and dangerous.

Like I said - mostly a badass.

Interesting you say mean a viper.

His demeanor gave me snake vibes. He spends the entirety of the dinner stock-still, like he’s just waiting for shit to pop off so he can strike.
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Old 10-17-2022, 06:30 PM   #8
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Also regarding Aemond, I thought him standing up in defense of Aegon at dinner was a little strange. Last we saw them, Aegon was a douche, bullying Aemond and we see now that Aegon is even shittier. Aegon isn’t a fighter and doesn’t even want the throne. Seems Aemond would be the type with loftier aspirations who’d want the throne for himself but that doesn’t seem to be the case, at least not yet.

Well.. didn't take long for Aemond to pine for the throne lol
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Old 10-18-2022, 04:28 PM   #9
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Well.. didn't take long for Aemond to pine for the throne lol
That surprised me a little. I wonder how much they'll do with this in S2. Obviously that would depend on Aegon as well, how he adapts to being King. I like the way they handled Aemond's current mindset, but I don't think it makes sense to continue too hard down that path if Aegon takes an interest in defending his crown.
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Take a look at a family tree and it becomes clear.

Their names being similar is confusing as ****.
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I guess the scene in the throne room was partially improvised by Matt Smith. I guess the crown wasn't supposed to fall off his head and it was an accident, but Daemon picked it up and gave it to Viserys. They just kept rolling and went with it. That small element added a shit ton to that scene.
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There were too many cuts and different camera angles for them to roll with it.

It probably fell off and gave them the idea for a great scene, and it was a great scene.
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Crown fell off in rehearsal, so they figured they should shoot a take with it falling off and one where it didnt.
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There were too many cuts and different camera angles for them to roll with it.

It probably fell off and gave them the idea for a great scene, and it was a great scene.
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I believe it. There is a lot going on in this show, easy to miss things.

Which reminds me: who did Viserys think he was speaking to when he was dying, talking about Aegon's prophecy? Aemma? Rhaenyra?
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Old 10-11-2022, 11:46 AM   #15
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I believe it. There is a lot going on in this show, easy to miss things.

Which reminds me: who did Viserys think he was speaking to when he was dying, talking about Aegon's prophecy? Aemma? Rhaenyra?
Rhaenyra

But since it was Alicent she's going to interpret it as him saying put Aegon (her son) on the throne which will kick off the whole civil war
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