***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

We know it happens. We know there are enough people for there to be support groups for it, and studies done on populations who have it.

It's been here for 6 months. That's not long term yet.

[suzzer99]

Some of the lung x-rays are showing permanent damage.

And I still don't want 6 months of hell not knowing when it will go away.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by O.city

According to worldometers site, there haven't really been any meaningful increases in deaths yet.

I didn't say that the increases were "meaningful." I just said that they are seeing increases in response to you claiming this:

So with deaths not going up with cases

That's not accurate.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Donger

I didn't say that the increases were "meaningful." I just said that they are seeing increases in response to you claiming this:

So with deaths not going up with cases

That's not accurate.

They're all pretty much where they were in May. So they have ticked up a little, it hasn't been of any significance yet.

[O.city]

There very likely will be some cases that have lasting effects. Just as there are with bacterial pneumonia.

I don't think we should get carried away with outlier cases until they're proven to be more than outlier cases.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by O.city

They're all pretty much where they were in May. So they have ticked up a little, it hasn't been of any significance yet.

Yes, they've increased, like I stated. If the lag is three to four weeks, and they started seeing increases in new cases in early/mid June (which they did), it's likely that deaths will increase, unfortunately.

Like I've said, "hopefully" the news that many of these new cases are younger folk, and they haven't spread it to people who are more likely to die from it.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Hugh Osmond “From comorbidity data, I believe hospital infections may have led to 30%-40% of deaths, not 11% as admitted. If 50% of excess deaths from care homes, deaths in wider community could be less than 10,000. Not an epidemic. https://t.co/xip7Aa0AqE

— Simon #KBF (@SimonYstwyth) July 7, 2020

Very interesting....

[Donger]

Arizona CPers: are you noticing increased mask wearing out and about compared to a few weeks ago?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by TLO

Tuesday I meant, but yeah. I'd say it's possible we are in the 800-1000 range today

We will be closer to 1,000 today. I think we are seeing some lag from the holiday. Next few days will be telling.

[tyecopeland]

My local school started summer school this week and I'm driving. Have to wear a mask. Tell you what, wearing that damn thing on a bus in 95 degree weather sucks. Makes my face all sweaty in no time. I only leave it over my nose when kids are getting on or off but even just over my mouth the rest of the time is hell.

[O.city]

I wear an n95 mask, a surgical mask over it and a face shield over my magnification loupes with a surgical gown and a head cap for 8 hours per day.

It's not a big deal. You get used to it.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

We will be closer to 1,000 today. I think we are seeing some lag from the holiday. Next few days will be telling.

At 776 right now. Most states seem to have reported

[eDave]

Originally Posted by tyecopeland

My local school started summer school this week and I'm driving. Have to wear a mask. Tell you what, wearing that damn thing on a bus in 95 degree weather sucks. Makes my face all sweaty in no time. I only leave it over my nose when kids are getting on or off but even just over my mouth the rest of the time is hell.

I pull mine out at the chin to get cool air in there. Nobody's going to hassle you over that.

[KS Smitty]

The great flyover state of Kansas is 14th in new cases and 14th in least amount of restrictions. We have also been added to New Yorks travel restrictions. Yay!

[loochy]

Originally Posted by tyecopeland

My local school started summer school this week and I'm driving. Have to wear a mask. Tell you what, wearing that damn thing on a bus in 95 degree weather sucks. Makes my face all sweaty in no time. I only leave it over my nose when kids are getting on or off but even just over my mouth the rest of the time is hell.

Crack all those windows open and let that crap blow straight out the window