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Old 04-23-2020, 10:09 PM  
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Old 07-07-2022, 11:51 AM   #3751
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No nuance allowed here huh?

Who was playing QB when Dexter was playing here?
If it was just the QB, why was McCluster awful everywhere else too (even worse) and out of the league 3 years after he left KC?

I'm sure Hardman's YPR being almost double what McCluster's was is all about the QB and has nothing to do with the fact that one guy is one of the fastest players in the league, while the other ran a ****ing 4.58.
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Old 07-07-2022, 11:52 AM   #3752
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If we're talking nuance, their skill sets aren't even remotely the same.
Exactly. The guy that's basically making a comparison based solely on draft status and their roles wants to talk about "nuance".
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Old 07-07-2022, 11:55 AM   #3753
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Exactly. The guy that's basically making a comparison based solely on draft status and their roles wants to talk about "nuance".
You're the nuance guy around these parts, just curious why you don't like to use it now.
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Old 07-07-2022, 11:55 AM   #3754
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Skill sets, sure. One is much faster.

They both are 2nd round gadget WR's who aren't likely to get a 2nd contract with the team.
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Old 07-07-2022, 11:59 AM   #3755
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You're the nuance guy around these parts, just curious why you don't like to use it now.
I am, and you're ignoring it.

Like the YPR stat, and the fact that despite the difference in QBs, McCluster was even worse after he left KC and was out of the league in 3 years.
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Old 07-07-2022, 12:00 PM   #3756
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Skill sets, sure. One is much faster.

They both are 2nd round gadget WR's who aren't likely to get a 2nd contract with the team.
Even if Hardman walks, he will get a much larger 2nd contract than McCluster did (even adjusting for the difference of value in time).

And it's entirely possible that Hardman earns a 2nd contract in KC still.
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Old 07-07-2022, 12:06 PM   #3757
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Hardman is a wealthy man's McCluster. You take him 100 times out of 100 over McCluster but you're still using him in a gadget role and letting UDFA receivers like Pringle get WR snaps over him.
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Old 07-07-2022, 12:17 PM   #3758
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I actually think Hardman will be decent for us this season, but due to his draft status, propensity for boneheaded mistakes, generally not being on the same page with Mahomes, etc., he will likely continue to catch some heat from the fanbase.
Those are drive killers that KC's defense can't always make up for.

So of course he takes heat for it.

His yards have gone up each year and I expect last season is probably his floor as far as stats.

He can no doubt make plays, but I don't really trust him when things are on the line. Maybe the mistrust is no longer justified. I hope so.
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Old 07-07-2022, 12:48 PM   #3759
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Mcluster was a solid running back that Pioli thought he could turn into a slot wr. Hardmans a corner turned reciever with elite speed and decent size. Other than draft position there is little to compare apples to apples.
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Old 07-07-2022, 12:52 PM   #3760
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Even if Hardman walks, he will get a much larger 2nd contract than McCluster did (even adjusting for the difference of value in time).

And it's entirely possible that Hardman earns a 2nd contract in KC still.
I mean, the Chiefs completely turned over the WR room. I'm guessing that says alot about what they think about Hardman, unless he takes less or something to stay.
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Old 07-07-2022, 01:03 PM   #3761
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I mean, the Chiefs completely turned over the WR room. I'm guessing that says alot about what they think about Hardman, unless he takes less or something to stay.
Umm they lost 3 of their top 4 WRs. That doesn't necessarily say anything about Hardman.
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Old 07-07-2022, 01:50 PM   #3762
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Those are drive killers that KC's defense can't always make up for.

So of course he takes heat for it.

His yards have gone up each year and I expect last season is probably his floor as far as stats.

He can no doubt make plays, but I don't really trust him when things are on the line. Maybe the mistrust is no longer justified. I hope so.
He's been a disappointment in a lot of ways, for sure.

He only had 700 yards and 2 TDs last year on 80+ targets. I'm pretty sure he got benched at some point in the season as well, though I doubt the coaching staff would admit it.
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