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Old 09-22-2019, 02:49 PM  
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Lamar Jackson
I was pretty skeptical about him but he is legit. If the Ravens keep the D up as they always do I can see many battles in the playoffs against them for awhile.
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Old 11-26-2019, 01:18 PM   #316
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Mahomes has missed 2 games and will still end up with better passing stats.
I’m referring to the hype. Mahomes was on every talk show last year. He was the talk of the NFL. This year it’s Lamar
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Old 11-26-2019, 01:21 PM   #317
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Now you know how fans of the other 31 teams felt about Mahomes last year.

“We’ve never this before!” is a stupid shallow phrase thrown around way too often, even for Mahomes. Yes the no-look was genuinely the first we’ve seen, but they got caught on to it for damn near every pass the kid threw.

Sorry but a lot of shit Mahomes has done we have seen before from Brett Favre. Same thing for Lamar. Vick looked exactly like Lamar did now when he played in a offense friendly system with Andy just as Lamar is now.
I disagree on mahomes. He has made some throws that are very uncommon in the NFL. We've seen guys with arm talent and can throw off platform. Don't think we've seen one with the kind of flexibility and agility as mahomes. I'd agree we've seen plenty of lamars which doesn't make him bad necessarily. But yeah, the commentators do oversell a lot of what mahomes does. I'm fine with that.
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Old 11-26-2019, 01:25 PM   #318
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Enjoy it while it lasts before he takes a big hit on one of these runs. It's inevitable.
Crazy thing is is that today's NFL has also helped him in a way. Watch any QB run and see how the defense approaches them. They act like they don't really know what to do. Can't blame them either. The system has been set up that if you clock a QB not only are you going to get a flag, but likely a hefty fine as well. Consequently guys are not very aggressive in getting a QB down that is running, even outside the pocket. One of the adjustments down the road I think will come is a defensive coordinator is going to challenge his defense to treat Jackson like Ingram. If he is going to run between the tackles punish him. If there is a chance he has the ball on an option, punish him. Bottom line: Beat him up when he is running. If I was to guess the team that goes there first I am taking the Steelers.
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Old 11-26-2019, 01:25 PM   #319
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I’m referring to the hype. Mahomes was on every talk show last year. He was the talk of the NFL. This year it’s Lamar
Let the keep sleeping on the Chiefs- they are about to break loose.
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Old 11-26-2019, 01:36 PM   #320
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Let the keep sleeping on the Chiefs- they are about to break loose.
If we stomp the Raiders and beat NE the whole narrative will flip.
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Old 11-26-2019, 01:51 PM   #321
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Thought CP had more sense than this.


You apparently don't know CP as well as you thought you did.
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Old 11-26-2019, 01:56 PM   #322
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So Lamar is the reason their OL mauls the hell out of the DL and opens massive holes. It’s all Lamar.
The mis-direct in the run game is certainly part of it, yeah.

The fact of the matter is the Ravens completely rebuilt their offense around what Lamar does well.

This "product of the system" shit is bullshit. Their system exists BECAUSE of Lamar.

Much the same way the Chiefs offense adapted for Mahomes. Mahomes doesn't run Alex Smith's version of Reid's offense. He doesn't run McNabb's version or Vick's. He runs the Mahomes version, which is a system tailored to what Mahomes does well.

The SYSTEM is built around Mahomes. Mahomes, like Lamar, aren't products of a system. They are the focal point of a system designed AROUND them, FOR them.

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Old 11-26-2019, 01:57 PM   #323
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And to those thinking Lamar is simply going to get hurt and that's the end of that, well, you're wrong too.

Lamar is built to run. He's not a QB who runs, but is built as a passer. And he does a damn good job of avoiding big contact and protecting himself.
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Old 11-26-2019, 01:59 PM   #324
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The mis-direct in the run game is certainly part of it, yeah.

The fact of the matter is the Ravens completely rebuilt their offense around what Lamar does well.

This "product of the system" shit is bullshit. Their system exists BECAUSE of Lamar.

Much the same way the Chiefs offense adapted for Mahomes. Mahomes doesn't run Alex Smith's version of Reid's offense. He doesn't run McNabb's version or Vick's. He runs the Mahomes version, which is a system tailored to what Mahomes does well.

The SYSTEM is built around Mahomes. Mahomes, like Lamar, aren't products of a system. They are the focal point of a system designed AROUND them, FOR them.

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It was brought up in the game thread last night but Harbaugh has basically said **** it and is mortgaging Lamar's future for a 2-3 year window to win another SB. I mean why not? Its the skill set Lamar has, it won't do any good trying to make him a pocket passer.

His style of play is not sustainable though and I doubt he ever sees a big 2nd contract.
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Old 11-26-2019, 02:01 PM   #325
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His style of play is not sustainable though and I doubt he ever sees a big 2nd contract.
I disagree.

This is not RGIII. This is not Mike Vick.

Like Mahomes, people need to come to terms with the fact that this is something new, fresh, and it's here to stay.

People didn't wanna believe Mahomes' performance was sustainable either.

We're talking about a different generation of football, man. I think it lasts.
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blitz him, but you've got to maintain rush lanes with your front four.
This is what killed LAR last night.
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I disagree.

This is not RGIII. This is not Mike Vick.

Like Mahomes, people need to come to terms with the fact that this is something new, fresh, and it's here to stay.

People didn't wanna believe Mahomes' performance was sustainable either.

We're talking about a different generation of football, man. I think it lasts.
Nonsense. Its no different than Vick and Kap, and Cunningham and others before him. Why do you think its different?
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Also, i've long read/heard that the triple-option offense is one of the most difficult to stop in college football. Air Force, for example, basically runs around w/o a QB.

The Ravens are already running some Triple-option concepts. And quite frankly it may only be a matter of time before it becomes a thing in the NFL, with the way run defenses are going these days....
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Nonsense. Its no different than Vick and Kap, and Cunningham and others before him. Why do you think its different?
Because he's a different player.

This conversation reminds me of the Mahomes naysayers of '18.

People just didn't want to believe what they were seeing because it had never been done before, so they say "yeah but, remember that one guy? How'd that work out?"
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Also, i've long read/heard that the triple-option offense is one of the most difficult to stop in college football. Air Force, for example, basically runs around w/o a QB.

The Ravens are already running some Triple-option concepts. And quite frankly it may only be a matter of time before it becomes a thing in the NFL, with the way run defenses are going these days....
The reason it's hard to stop is because nobody runs it so teams never see it unless they play Air Force.

It may be a fad like the Wildcat was for a bit but it wont stick.
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