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Now you've pissed me off!
Join Date: Jan 2006
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The players years back had to win to eat and that created a much better brand of player. It also created a much more competitive environment. Tiger is a great player and I can accept the argument that he's the GOAT, but I don't agree with it because he's playing against a lot of guys who don't treat it as a life-and-death situation. Jack Nicklaus won 18 majors against primary competition like Gary Player, Arnold Palmer, Ray Floyd, Lee Trevino, Tom Watson, Billy Casper, Johnny Miller, Seve Ballesteros, and several others. The best player of Tiger's generation who isn't him is Mickelson, and his resume pales compared to everyone on that list, save Casper, Miller, and Seve, |
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#3227 |
Better than Nelson
Join Date: Mar 2003
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Depth must have been shit though
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#3228 |
Now you've pissed me off!
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#3229 |
Sprinkle in some Mahomes
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Butte Montana
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John Daly was a big whiner.
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#3230 |
Better than Nelson
Join Date: Mar 2003
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Yeah but there had to be a reason a group was able to separate themselves like that. I've seen some of those leaderboards and it's ridiculous. Jack Nicklaus had 73 top 10s in majors. That doesn't tell me Jack Nicklaus is twice the golfer Tiger is, it tells me the depth was horrid. It was always the sam handful of guys. I wasn't alive though, so who knows. Just seems that way
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#3231 |
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Join Date: Nov 2001
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The win totals are obviously the most important statistic... but people do probably forget how dominant Nicklaus' numbers are. Tiger will probably never quite reach the all-around level of dominance unless he goes off and wins something like 20-25 majors.
Tiger would have to finish in the top 10 in every single major from now until he turned 46 to pass Jack's total of top 10 major finishes. He really has just over half the number of top 3, top 5, and top 25 major finishes as Jack. He'd have to finish top 5 in the next 25 majors to match Jack. |
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#3232 |
Mahomes > God
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Clinton, MO
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People tend to forget that...yeah VdV horribly mismanaged that hole but that bounce was such a god awful break...one of top 2 or 3 in golf history.
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#3233 |
Now you've pissed me off!
Join Date: Jan 2006
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I wish I could have been around for more of it, but I think that people really underestimate how ****ing awesome Jack Nicklaus was at golf.
In the early 1960s he won the PGA long drive competition with a 340+ yard bomb using a 43" steel shafted persimmon driver and a wound balata ball with the compression of a mush melon. That's probably a 410 yard drive today. No one broke that record for 20 years. |
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#3234 |
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: New York
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I think the field was more top heavy when Jack played.
After 10-12 guys while he played it's slim pickings. Today's fields are deeper. Before the start of a major today you can go through a list of 25-30 players you could foresee winning. I don't think during Jack's time you would go nearly that deep. And it's not Tiger's fault that Tiger>>>>rest of field Jack>>his competitor's If Tiger get's Jack major record he should be goat. |
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#3235 |
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Join Date: Nov 2001
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In that list of 70's majors... Jack finished in the top ten in 35 of those 40 events. Then when he turned 40 he won two more majors.
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#3236 |
Mahomes > God
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Clinton, MO
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Oh and the U.S. Open is at Merion....yeah go ahead and give Tiger the trophy now.
He's getting closer and closer to his early 2000s form which is scary... |
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#3237 | |
Better than Nelson
Join Date: Mar 2003
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#3238 | |
Mahomes > God
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Clinton, MO
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#3239 |
Now you've pissed me off!
Join Date: Jan 2006
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The top heaviness of those fields matter because so many players today are terrified of winning.
Today's players are far more athletic, but they aren't better golfers. They have the mental strength of a lobotomized chicken. They can't perform in anything less than perfect conditions, and golf is a sport that requires massive levels of mental strength. |
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#3240 | |
Better than Nelson
Join Date: Mar 2003
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