***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

what are the side effects?

The masks can cause more harm than good if used incorrectly, if you contaminate the inside lets say or even the outside and wear the mask till it becomes damp the contaminate could migrate and cause you more harm .

that is why the are not meant for long term use, same goes for some homemade masks/bandanas which seem like they would get moist sooner.

Replace/wash them often or if you think they are soiled.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I mean, of course with the exception of your two fine fellows, I assume. . . .

Hold on - I'm busy listening to InfoWars, with Keeping Up with The Kardashians on in the background while I mainline some cleaning products.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

your mouth and nose suck air and droplets in from around them and then dispel that air and those droplets back out for others to inhale.


when did your eyes and ears do that?


if you cant see the difference and why the odds would be greater of contracting it one way than the other then im not sure what to tell you

eyes and

I

know you don't want to accept some facts but they are facts. Getting viruses through your ears (which open every time you swallow) and your eyes is not uncommon. And then as far as your precious mask...

"What we know about this disease is that there seems to be a lot of asymptomatic transmission going on," she said. "That’s coming from talking and breathing. Those are mostly smaller particles."

"Any filter that’s made out of woven material not designed to be a filter is not going to collect particles in an efficient way. It will collect larger ones with some efficiency but not smaller ones.

Brosseau said that infected individuals generate around 900 particles of the disease a minute when talking or breathing. Current theories, she explained, estimate that an individual needs about 1,000 particles to become infected by the virus.

"Cloth masks stop about 50 percent of particles," she said. "If it takes you two or three minutes to get an infectious dose, the mask may move the infection time up a little bit longer." The slight extension in the time it takes to become infected, she argued, would be insufficient to protect those in customer-facing service work like "retail, or someone driving a bus.""

All the mask is protecting you from is someone hacking all over you, imo.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Hold on - I'm busy listening to InfoWars, with Keeping Up with The Kardashians on in the background while I mainline some cleaning products.

I can't wait to hear your theory on transgender frogs.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I know you don't want to accept some facts but they are facts. Getting viruses through your ears (which open every time you swallow) and your eyes is not uncommon. And then as far as your precious mask...

"What we know about this disease is that there seems to be a lot of asymptomatic transmission going on," she said. "That’s coming from talking and breathing. Those are mostly smaller particles."

"Any filter that’s made out of woven material not designed to be a filter is not going to collect particles in an efficient way. It will collect larger ones with some efficiency but not smaller ones.

Brosseau said that infected individuals generate around 900 particles of the disease a minute when talking or breathing. Current theories, she explained, estimate that an individual needs about 1,000 particles to become infected by the virus.

"Cloth masks stop about 50 percent of particles," she said. "If it takes you two or three minutes to get an infectious dose, the mask may move the infection time up a little bit longer." The slight extension in the time it takes to become infected, she argued, would be insufficient to protect those in customer-facing service work like "retail, or someone driving a bus.""

All the mask is protecting you from is someone hacking all over you, imo.

So even cloth masks help.

Got it.

And if you're social distancing like you're supposed to, even better.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Hold on - I'm busy listening to InfoWars, with Keeping Up with The Kardashians on in the background while I mainline some cleaning products.

It was rhetorical, continue to enjoy yourself.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

The masks can cause more harm than good if used incorrectly, if you contaminate the inside lets say or even the outside and wear the mask till it becomes damp the contaminate could migrate and cause you more harm .

that is why the are not meant for long term use, same goes for some homemade masks/bandanas which seem like they would get moist sooner.

Replace/wash them often or if you think they are soiled.

No, no...I was told there were no side effects to wearing masks. This can't be right. I protest!!!!!

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

So even cloth masks help.

Got it.

Yeah, that's what those doctors said

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by petegz28

No, no...I was told there were no side effects to wearing masks. This can't be right. I protest!!!!!

Washing an article of clothing is very difficult and makes wearing a mask to much trouble.

[Spott]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I've noticed not a single one of you has answered my question.

How long do you intend to wear masks? It's a simple question.

Never.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by petegz28

No, no...I was told there were no side effects to wearing masks. This can't be right. I protest!!!!!

If you're dumb enough to continue to wear a cloth mask - which is easily washable - multiple times, then holy **** - it explains a lot.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Washing an article of clothing is very difficult and makes wearing a mask to much trouble.

That negates not the fact that there are side effects. Don't worry, you'll be doing your mask laundry for years and years to come. Maybe they'll come out with an All-Temper-Cheer for masks??? No fading!!!!

[Mecca]

Pete wore the same pair of underwear for a month straight without washing them and wondered why everything smelled like balls.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by petegz28

That negates not the fact that there are side effects. Don't worry, you'll be doing your mask laundry for years and years to come. Maybe they'll come out with an All-Temper-Cheer for masks??? No fading!!!!

That sounds so difficult considering I'll be washing clothes for the rest of my life.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

If you're dumb enough to continue to wear a cloth mask - which is easily washable - multiple times, then holy **** - it explains a lot.

Nay Nay...twas your breath from your constant bloviating you apparently despise from others.