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05-17-2020, 09:23 AM | #31381 |
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SIP doesn't mean you cant leave or go do things. It means they recommend you stay home. The business closings made it generally not worthwhile to leave home. There was no actual law or hard and fast rule though.
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05-17-2020, 09:26 AM | #31382 |
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He's almost certainly right though. With the current rates (and not even an explosion) the deaths will pile up even if this thing steadily trails off. Theyre bound to find ones they missed. And don't forget the suicides.
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05-17-2020, 09:26 AM | #31383 | |
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But yes, to come out without any solid data and say this without very near certainty is hazardous. |
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05-17-2020, 09:29 AM | #31384 | ||
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The two are not mutually exclusive. There are most likely deaths that haven't been counted that should have but it is becoming very evident that there are cases being counted that shouldn't have. So my problem with Fauci's statement is he takes the position that the 80,000 is accurate to begin with then says it is probably higher. |
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05-17-2020, 09:32 AM | #31385 | |
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Case in point from the article posted earlier:
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05-17-2020, 09:34 AM | #31386 |
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My point was someone in his position with his voice during this crisis needs to be careful with what he says. When he says "I think" or "almost certainly", the people hanging on his words for hope and guidance are going to run with it like it's written in stone what he thinks, and that could end up being problematic. Look at Neil Ferguson, for example (extreme comparison, but still).
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05-17-2020, 09:36 AM | #31387 |
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To your point I would love to see a complete breakdown of deaths in this country since the first of the year. That would be a mammoth undertaking to get all those numbers and data together, but I feel it would be quite interesting to see how it all shook out.
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05-17-2020, 09:42 AM | #31388 | |
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He's also in a difficult position. People can't digest more than 15 second soundbytes; is it really fair to expect him to explain the rationale behind scientific uncertainty in necessary detail? But that aside, what problems are going to arise from Fauci saying the death toll is most likely undercounted? It's pretty obvious that a substantial portion of the population isn't listening to consensus epidemiological advice anyway, even when it's been proven to work elsewhere. |
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05-17-2020, 09:46 AM | #31390 | |
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05-17-2020, 09:46 AM | #31391 | |
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05-17-2020, 09:48 AM | #31392 | |
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I guess I need to be educated on where people are expected to be smarter and realize that smart people don't have time to explain the caveats and shortcomings of their hypotheses and musings, and when people need to realize that people aren't smart so they need to be very clear and pedantic and assured in their verbiage. |
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05-17-2020, 09:54 AM | #31393 | |
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On a message board, I have more time to discuss things in detail that wouldn't be covered in a press conference. |
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05-17-2020, 09:59 AM | #31395 | |
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2. maybe give more individuals than the good doctor the benefit of the presumption of best intent. |
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