***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Dayze]

Originally Posted by eDave

Back when I was dong acid I had a squirrel running rough-shod throughout my home. Turned out it was my cat.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

For the, "COVID deaths are overreported," crowd:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2766121

So what's the estimated CFR?

[Boise_Chief]

Originally Posted by eDave

Back when I was dong acid I had a squirrel running rough-shod throughout my home. Turned out it was my cat.

There are easier ways to take acid, but you do you.

[Donger]

Not sure how this works with the herd immunity argument...

Sailors on sidelined carrier get virus for second time

https://apnews.com/0cae34376380ab4150002a58bd9934b9

WASHINGTON (AP) — Five sailors on the U.S. aircraft carrier sidelined in Guam due to a COVID-19 outbreak have tested positive for the virus for the second time and have been taken off the ship, according to the Navy.

The resurgence of the virus in the five sailors on the USS Theodore Roosevelt underscores the befuddling behavior of the highly contagious virus and raises questions about how troops that test positive can be reintegrated into the military, particularly on ships.

[ghak99]

Originally Posted by Donger

Not sure how this works with the herd immunity argument...

Sailors on sidelined carrier get virus for second time

https://apnews.com/0cae34376380ab4150002a58bd9934b9

WASHINGTON (AP) — Five sailors on the U.S. aircraft carrier sidelined in Guam due to a COVID-19 outbreak have tested positive for the virus for the second time and have been taken off the ship, according to the Navy.

The resurgence of the virus in the five sailors on the USS Theodore Roosevelt underscores the befuddling behavior of the highly contagious virus and raises questions about how troops that test positive can be reintegrated into the military, particularly on ships.

It's only slightly less disturbing than when it spread through our Paw-Paw supply. No one wants to lose their Paw-Paw.

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by Donger

Not sure how this works with the herd immunity argument...

Sailors on sidelined carrier get virus for second time

https://apnews.com/0cae34376380ab4150002a58bd9934b9

WASHINGTON (AP) — Five sailors on the U.S. aircraft carrier sidelined in Guam due to a COVID-19 outbreak have tested positive for the virus for the second time and have been taken off the ship, according to the Navy.

The resurgence of the virus in the five sailors on the USS Theodore Roosevelt underscores the befuddling behavior of the highly contagious virus and raises questions about how troops that test positive can be reintegrated into the military, particularly on ships.

Do you just not read to the final period and make comments? Almost certainly relapse and or testing issues. Did you miss the South Korea example altogether that made headlines and then was found to be testing/relapse issues? This has jack shit to do with herd immunity. This is a long illness in about 20% of people that catch it, two weeks is meaningless for herd immunity.

****ing fear porn headlines get clicks. That’s all the damn media is these days thanks to social media, and we all play right into their hands with posts like this.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Kidd Lex

Do you just not read to the final period and make comments? Almost certainly relapse and or testing issues. Did you miss the South Korea example altogether that made headlines and then was found to be testing/relapse issues? This has jack shit to do with herd immunity. This is a long illness in about 20% of people that catch it, two weeks is meaningless for herd immunity.

****ing fear porn headlines get clicks. That’s all the damn media is these days thanks to social media, and we all play right into their hands with posts like this.

No, it's not almost certain. They don't know yet.

Calm down.

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by Donger

No, it's not almost certain. They don't know yet.

Calm down.

Lol, fair enough, I should calm down the fire directed at you. The headline is so misleading and frustrates me because it causes fear. People read these and swear off vaccines “because South Korea”. It’s literally dangerous how the media drives fear for clicks. You don’t get the possibilities (which have been demonstrated over and over) of relapse until the final sentence.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by limested

Pete needs some deca and heavy weights.

No way. With that attitude, he needs tren and test to turn him into an alpha. Get that weak deca crap the f outta here.

[Bowser]

ROID WAR!!!!

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Donger

No, it's not almost certain. They don't know yet.

Calm down.

They've confirmed that it was not reinfection in the South Korea cases.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by O.city

They've confirmed that it was not reinfection in the South Korea cases.

I hadn't heard that. That's great news.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by O.city

They've confirmed that it was not reinfection in the South Korea cases.

Didn’t gorilla Pitt say his HS friend tested positive twice and was symptomatic and hospitalized twice , never got a follow up .

The odds say it was false negatives depending on the timeline.i guess it would depend how many negative tests they had before being considered recovered.

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by O.city

They've confirmed that it was not reinfection in the South Korea cases.

I bet most of the posters in this thread who read scientific journals to learn about the novel coronavirus feel the same frustration I do educating the average friend or family member who only reads the headlines. It’s downright irresponsible the shit that gets put out there and is never corrected with the same eye popping headlines. Zero chance Donger has read any of the studies and still throws out the herd immunity comment. For those sailors to have been completely “recovered” at the cellular level and then to “catch” it again goes against everything know to viral science. There’s a mountain of evidence that’s says this novel coronavirus hangs out for weeks and some patients relapse. Also a mountain of evidence the tests provide insufficient accuracy to draw conclusions of reinfection vs relapse. Two week time period in this article is truly laughable. 8 weeks and I’d still guess they were relapsing, or even more likely detecting dead viral rna.

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by Donger

I hadn't heard that. That's great news.

Yep, definitively proven and.... they have demonstrated in separate studies that 100% of people develop antibodies, although some take up to 8 weeks.