***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Easier than Billay?

The only thing easier than Billay is a corpse.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Yeah bud, keep telling yourself I’m a dipshit. I’m getting bonuses through this since I’m in management.

I can only imagine what you do for a living.

“management”

What a dumbshit.

[limested]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Yeah bud, keep telling yourself I’m a dipshit. I’m getting bonuses through this since I’m in management.

I can only imagine what you do for a living.

Probably cleans stalls at rest stops.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

“management”

What a dumbshit.

I’m not sure what’s so funny? I’m a director of rehab. I “manage” a rehab department. Is this lost on you?

Im sure my education and experience far outweighs anything you understand about this entire issue.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

“management”

What a dumbshit.

No one will miss you.

It's my weekend gift to everyone here.

Except you.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

No one will miss you.

It's my weekend gift to everyone here.

Except you.

You have earned your mod stripes today!

[Bowser]

I check the last page of this thread from time to time, because that's really all my interest in here has waned to. I'm thinking I'm not even that interested anymore.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Literally 2-20 pound dumbbells?

Yeah it was about all I could find. Every store in JoCo was sold out and everything on Amazon was pretty much sold out. Desperately needed them since I wont be going to the gym for atleast another month.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Bowser

I check the last page of this thread from time to time, because that's really all my interest in here has waned to. I'm thinking I'm not even that interested anymore.

There's some promising news about an antibody treatment. That's about all that's worth knowing from today.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

No offense but that is an incredibly stupid analogy.

You can’t compare the discretionary act of having sex (i.e. when you would wear a condom) to activities such as going to the grocery store, leaving your house, flying on an airplane., etc. Those are all essential/everyday life activities which means you you are effectively being forced to wear a mask.

You're also forced to wear clothes when you go to those places. Is adding a surgical mask that much more of an unnecessary inconvenience?

[limested]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Yeah it was about all I could find. Every store in JoCo was sold out and everything on Amazon was pretty much sold out. Desperately needed them since I wont be going to the gym for atleast another month.

Gym opens here on Monday. Can’t wait.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DaFace

There's some promising news about an antibody treatment. That's about all that's worth knowing from today.

I thought the results from the Science study I linked llate last night showed some really positive things, namely that the lockdowns were able to reduce R0 well below 1. That proves that even in the absence of therapy we can use the hammer and the dance to stop the spread of the disease and that initiating shelter in place orders was not a waste of time. They saved thousands and thousands of lives.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You're also forced to wear clothes when you go to those places. Is adding a surgical mask that much more of an unnecessary inconvenience?

You understand that a lot of places have signs that say: "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service", right?

It is because boneheads like 88 can't figure simple shit like that out on their own.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by limested

Gym opens here on Monday. Can’t wait.

Bad idea.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

For the, "COVID deaths are overreported," crowd:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2766121

As of early May 2020, approximately 65 000 people in the US had died of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19),1 the disease caused by the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). This number appears to be similar to the estimated number of seasonal influenza deaths reported annually by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)

The root of such incorrect comparisons may be a knowledge gap regarding how seasonal influenza and COVID-19 data are publicly reported. The CDC, like many similar disease control agencies around the world, presents seasonal influenza morbidity and mortality not as raw counts but as calculated estimates based on submitted International Classification of Diseases codes.2 Between 2013-2014 and 2018-2019, the reported yearly estimated influenza deaths ranged from 23 000 to 61 000.3 Over that same time period, however, the number of counted influenza deaths was between 3448 and 15 620 yearly.4 On average, the CDC estimates of deaths attributed to influenza were nearly 6 times greater than its reported counted numbers. Conversely, COVID-19 fatalities are at present being counted and reported directly, not estimated. As a result, the more valid comparison would be to compare weekly counts of COVID-19 deaths to weekly counts of seasonal influenza deaths.

During the week ending April 21, 2020, 15 455 COVID-19 counted deaths were reported in the US.5 The reported number of counted deaths from the previous week, ending April 14, was 14 478. By contrast, according to the CDC, counted deaths during the peak week of the influenza seasons from 2013-2014 to 2019-2020 ranged from 351 (2015-2016, week 11 of 2016) to 1626 (2017-2018, week 3 of 2018).6 The mean number of counted deaths during the peak week of influenza seasons from 2013-2020 was 752.4 (95% CI, 558.8-946.1).7 These statistics on counted deaths suggest that the number of COVID-19 deaths for the week ending April 21 was 9.5-fold to 44.1-fold greater than the peak week of counted influenza deaths during the past 7 influenza seasons in the US, with a 20.5-fold mean increase (95% CI, 16.3-27.7).5,6

The ratios we present are more clinically consistent with frontline conditions than ratios that compare COVID-19 fatality counts and estimated seasonal influenza deaths. Based on the figure of approximately 60 000 COVID-19 deaths in the US as of the end of April 2020, this ratio suggests only a 1.0-fold to 2.6-fold change from the CDC-estimated seasonal influenza deaths calculated during the previous 7 full seasons.3 From our analysis, we infer that either the CDC’s annual estimates substantially overstate the actual number of deaths caused by influenza or that the current number of COVID-19 counted deaths substantially understates the actual number of deaths caused by SARS-CoV-2, or both.