***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[TLO]

Originally Posted by 007

I don't understand our governor's logic at all. Salons and gyms can open but bars and taverns cannot.

Unsure of where you live, but St Joe opened bars today. I'm not sure if Missouri has said "no bars open", but St Joe gives 0 ****s.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Delano

A self-aware man would leave this thread after this slaying, but I'm sure Pete will continue reposting his facebook feed and spewing politically motivated talking points.

Only for your obvious viewing entertainment.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Even before this pandemic when LA County decided to go into never ending lockdown mode, how many businesses were relocating out of LA and out of California?

Let's see if Elon makes good on his threat.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Fish

You don't know it was intentional. He also had COVID, so it's understandable there could be a mistake.

Sure seems rather intentional when the Coroner has to go on the record stating that the State is mischaracterizing the cause of death but whatever.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by eDave

Let's see if Elon makes good on his threat.

Shit! Even if he did it would take him years to move all that.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Yes or no... has Georgia proven the panic/hysteria people such as yourself wrong by showing declines in all key metrics in the two weeks since they re-opened their economy?

Meanwhile, guess which state has shown an increase in the rate of new cases during that same time-frame? The lockdown paradise known as California.

Also over 50% of Sweden’s deaths are in nursing homes... i.e. the same problem that lockdown countries including the US, UK and Italy have experienced.

So, are none of Norway and Finland's deaths in nursing homes? If you halved Sweden's death rate it would still be over four and three times higher than those respective countries.

Again, answer the question: if lockdowns don't matter, why did New York's caseload drop by 80%?

Regarding your Georgia claim:



That's the actual rolling average.

"Georgia reopened April 24 with Phase One. Since reopening, the state has seen a steady increase in cases."

[007]

Originally Posted by TLO

Unsure of where you live, but St Joe opened bars today. I'm not sure if Missouri has said "no bars open", but St Joe gives 0 ****s.

Kansas

[TLO]

Originally Posted by 007

Kansas

Ah.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

So, are none of Norway and Finland's deaths in nursing homes? If you halved Sweden's death rate it would still be over four and three times higher than those respective countries.

Again, answer the question: if lockdowns don't matter, why did New York's caseload drop by 80%?

Regarding your Georgia claim:



That's the actual rolling average.

"Georgia reopened April 24 with Phase One. Since reopening, the state has seen a steady increase in cases."

Steady increase??? Yeah, no. It's rather flat to be honest. And I have to ask, are they testing more?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 007

I don't understand our governor's logic at all. Salons and gyms can open but bars and taverns cannot.

I didn't think salons and gyms were open yet?

[007]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I didn't think salons and gyms were open yet?

On Monday

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Why don't you tell us? You seem to be the man with all of the answers.

Enjoy...

Link: https://spectrumlocationsolutions.com/california/

“A study by business relocation consultant Joe Vranich estimates that … about 13,000 companies have left the state since 2008. Over the last decade, $76.7 billion in capital and 275,000 jobs have moved out of the state.” – Wall Street Journal.

California’s Disinvestment Events by the Numbers

The ten California counties losing the most businesses were Los Angeles in the top spot, followed by Orange, Santa Clara, San Francisco, San Diego, Alameda, San Mateo, Ventura, San Bernardino and Sacramento.

More headquarters leave California than any other type of facility and more manufacturers than any other industry.

During the study period, $76.7 billion in capital was diverted out of California along with 275,000 Jobs – and companies acquired at least 133 million square feet of space elsewhere. All such findings are understated because such information often went unreported in source materials.

Let’s hear your thoughts on how LA and California’s draconian/never ending lockdown measures will stop this exodus of businesses from your crumbling state.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Steady increase??? Yeah, no. It's rather flat to be honest.

It increases up to April 20th, begins decreasing, restrictions are lifted while cases have decreased for a few days (but not the 14 recommended by the CDC) and then begins a slow ascent again.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 007

On Monday

Planet Fitness and the place my Wife goes to get her nails done are closed. Maybe you are talking KS as a whole, I am talking JoCo.

[007]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Planet Fitness and the place my Wife goes to get her nails done are closed. Maybe you are talking KS as a whole, I am talking JoCo.

No. They open in Kansas this Monday. Yet bars and taverns can't. They were all supposed to open and she changed it today.