***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

No, I remember them fine. Why?

lmao you dont think the government FORCING people into poverty is going to cause mass civil unrest?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Uhhh..... Are you under the impression a government can lock down a population deprive them of their jobs, liberty, and freedom and not start violence?

Well I would think not in normal times.


There's nothing about this that's normal.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

Let's hope not, eh?

Hope in one hand and shit in the other, let me know which one piles up first.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by O.city

Wouldn't being locked down until August pretty much mean the complete collapse of the economy and social services ?

No

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Hope in one hand and shit in the other, let me know which one piles up first.

Wait, so you are hoping for people to start shooting at each other over this? Why on Earth would you want that?

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

No

You are out of your mind. Unemployment benefits are not enough to save those in LA. Whole families being thrown on the street....... How long till someone says enough and pulls a gun.

You are insane...

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

You are out of your mind. Unemployment benefits are not enough to save those in LA. Whole families being thrown on the street....... How long till someone says enough and pulls a gun.

You are insane...

You know a bunch of other countries basically suspended rent and utilities during lockdown that simple measure would you know prevent that.

[Ninerfan11]

California is in deep trouble all. The leadership is screwing the pooch in a major way.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Mecca

You know a bunch of other countries basically suspended rent and utilities during lockdown that simple measure would you know prevent that.

And let me get this straight you think our politicians can get anything done? Putting your faith in Congress seems a little foolish. And what about mortgage payments? And what are you going to do when the banks dont get their payments for loans?

[mr. tegu]

People out there in California are basically going to ignore it. I don’t see major civil unrest. They are going to continue wondering why Wal-mart is safe but beaches aren’t. That and they will see other places doing fine and the restrictions will just have to be lifted.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

People out there in California are basically going to ignore it. I don’t see major civil unrest. They are going to continue wondering why Wal-mart is safe but beaches aren’t. That and they will see other places doing fine and the restrictions will just have to be lifted.

Sure hope thats how it play outs, but anyone who thinks the government can force people into poverty to "protect" them have to be extremely naive to think there wouldnt be civil unrest.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

People out there in California are basically going to ignore it. I don’t see major civil unrest. They are going to continue wondering why Wal-mart is safe but beaches aren’t. That and they will see other places doing fine and the restrictions will just have to be lifted.

People going to beaches won't eliminate civil unrest. Massive poverty would be the cause, not boredom.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Uhhh..... Are you under the impression a government can lock down a population deprive them of their jobs, liberty, and freedom and not start violence?

Essential services are hiring every day.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Essential services are hiring every day.

lmao,

WITH WHAT MONEY!? Are you unaware that TAXES are needed? You can't just keep running those social services without money.

[DaFace]

Not to diminish the magnitude of the economic concerns, but at least so far, calling it "economic collapse" is a bit alarmist. Unemployment isn't looking good, but people are being propped up by the feds. Actual GDP is slipping, but it's on the scale of 10-20%. It's not like 90% of the economy is shut down right now.

So in short, we obviously need to get things running as soon as we possibly can, but these visions of riots in the streets seem pretty far off to me.