Yeesh - Alec Baldwin just plopped into a world of hurt

[Baby Lee]

Breaking - details forthcoming

Discharged a 'prop' weapon that resulted in a death and another severe injury.

https://www.santafenewmexican.com/ne...c47b69ce5.html

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by -King-

So is an actor when told "cold gun" by the person in charge of the guns supposed to then break the gun down himself to make sure the armorer was doing their job?

What's next? A race car driver should break down their engines to make sure the engineers did their job?

Baldwin produced the movie and chose to go cheap on the armorer. This is his responsibility.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by oldman

I'm not trying to sound all Black Op-ish, but what was a live round doing on the set? There was union trouble that morning.

One more thing to think about is it's not totally Baldwin's movie. I think there were 3 or 4 other production companies involved. Many movies/TV shows have multiple "producers" where one or more of the stars ges a credit (and more money) by being a producer. If the liability is ultimately tied to the production companies, then Baldwin is not at fault alone.

In Brandon Lee's case it was because the gun was used with dummy bullets (to show a loading/unloading scene), then used with blanks. One of the dummy bullets came apart in the gun and the projectile tip lodged in the barrel. The gun wasn't properly checked. Then blanks were loaded, and the blank fired the projectile tip.

It's possible something similar happened here with all the safety breaches and sloppiness.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Baldwin produced the movie and chose to go cheap on the armorer. This is his responsibility.

Eh, if I read it correctly yesterday he’s one of 6-7 producers

I’m no lawyer, but it seems like things might not be so cut and dried

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by -King-

So is an actor when told "cold gun" by the person in charge of the guns supposed to then break the gun down himself to make sure the armorer was doing their job?

What's next? A race car driver should break down their engines to make sure the engineers did their job?

Sorry the thread is not about gun safety anymore. This is the thread to make stupid nonsense posts about Trump and get your 12 of your DC buddies to like it.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Baldwin produced the movie and chose to go cheap on the armorer. This is his responsibility.

100%.

But that's too easy and no fun for the trolls who want to see how many buttons they can push with political nonsense and get away with it.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Eh, if I read it correctly yesterday he’s one of 6-7 producers

I’m no lawyer, but it seems like things might not be so cut and dried

Given Baldwin's well documented temper and attitude, one could easily assume that he was front and center in all the shady shit going on during the production. At the very least he was present on set, and at this point who knows if any of the other producers were there. I don't seeing him being the type to merely sit back and passively watch all the disputes that were going on prior to the shooting.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Baldwin produced the movie and chose to go cheap on the armorer. This is his responsibility.

He may have been trying to give the prop person their first big break. Not necessarily trying to go cheap.

Just a thought.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Frazod

Given Baldwin's well documented temper and attitude, one could easily assume that he was front and center in all the shady shit going on during the production. At the very least he was present on set, and at this point who knows if any of the other producers were there. I don't seeing him being the type to merely sit back and passively watch all the disputes that were going on prior to the shooting.

Yeah he was the star, so it might stand to reason that he was the primary ramrod

Its just amazing that they had so many misfires and crew trouble, yet didn't halt production for at least a day or two and regroup

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Sorry the thread is not about gun safety anymore. This is the thread to make stupid nonsense posts about Trump and get your 12 of your DC buddies to like it.

Well, yeah, that's exactly what you and your fellow shitstain socialists did. Except none of you actually has that many friends.

[suzzer99]

12 friends brigading a message board. I bow down before the badassery.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Sorry the thread is not about gun safety anymore. This is the thread to make stupid nonsense posts about Trump and get your 12 of your DC buddies to like it.

No, i's about the death of a mom and a wife.

You aren't helping here.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

12 friends brigading a message board. I bow down before the badassery.

That's nice. Now perhaps you could just **** off and let the adults talk.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Baldwin produced the movie and chose to go cheap on the armorer. This is his responsibility.

It's a bit murkier than that.

The Union who was overseeing production went on strike. Baldwin was the only producer who did not want scabs to replace the Union production workers.

I know there's a big thirst for Baldwin to get pounded for this, but as of now the details make this look more like a tragedy aided by profit driven incompetence from the overall production company rather than being singularly on Baldwin.

[ghak99]

Originally Posted by -King-

So is an actor when told "cold gun" by the person in charge of the guns supposed to then break the gun down himself to make sure the armorer was doing their job?

What's next? A race car driver should break down their engines to make sure the engineers did their job?

What is the definition of a "cold gun"?

Is it an unloaded gun, a gun with rubber plugs, or a gun loaded with blanks? Only two of those really sound "cold" in my mind.

If I'm an actor on a set that has already had a couple "misfires", whatever the hell that means, that didn't shut down production to correct or replace the fault, I'm damn sure going to take the 2 seconds it takes to thumb the cover and roll the cylinder to see it's empty. It's really that simple in this case, thumb and roll. You either see the rounds in the cylinder or you don't. It'd take another whole 5 seconds to dump the rounds in your palm, see they're indeed blanks or rubber plugs, and reload them.

I've watched quite a few videos of Hallie Berry, Reeves, and other actors on shooting ranges getting very comfortable with much more complicated weapons using live rounds prior to creating a movie. Perhaps Douche Canoe doesn't do this and wouldn't know such a simple process, I don't know.

In my mind, a lot of this whole scenario probably comes down to attempting to make a movie on a budget fit for a commercial. Cut all the corners and bad shit happens. At least in this case it was the asshole in the room holding the smoking gun.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by -King-

So is an actor when told "cold gun" by the person in charge of the guns supposed to then break the gun down himself to make sure the armorer was doing their job?

What's next? A race car driver should break down their engines to make sure the engineers did their job?

Yes. Those of us in the gun community know that no matter the situation, no matter the protocols that lead up to it being in your hand, no matter who you are or what you do, when a gun is in your hand, YOU are responsible for it.