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Old 04-06-2021, 12:40 PM  
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As the title suggests, does anyone actually use them and if so is there any that you recommend? I am just researching them and wondering what the opinions of others are in regards to them.
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Old 04-06-2021, 01:58 PM   #16
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All the ones that I’ve seen want to automatically sign you in and shit. I just password protected an excel sheet that lists them all.
Technically, that's not really that secure at all.

https://www.passfab.com/products/exc...-recovery.html

https://www.mypdfsolutions.com/how-t...rom-excel.html
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Old 04-06-2021, 01:58 PM   #17
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Both of those seemed to be reviewed highly. So they in your opinion are not very user friendly?
Download keepass and give it a try for yourself. It is free and pretty straight forward. I think lastpass started doing something iffy, so they are more questionable.
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Old 04-06-2021, 02:03 PM   #18
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I still use UPM. Completely offline, no-frills, and not updated in 5 years. Keep a copy of my db synced on my NAS and phone. One of these days I'll upgrade, but I refuse to use a cloud variant or a browser plugin.
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Old 04-06-2021, 02:05 PM   #19
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Download keepass and give it a try for yourself. It is free and pretty straight forward. I think lastpass started doing something iffy, so they are more questionable.
AFAIK, LastPass is a sub service now. Maybe that's Password1.

I pay for a KeePass client on iOS but that's because I store my database in a way that requires a premium feature not available on the free clients for iOS. Plus I want Face ID support.

All of my other clients are free. I share the same databases amongst all of them.
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Old 04-06-2021, 02:07 PM   #20
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I still use UPM. Completely offline, no-frills, and not updated in 5 years. Keep a copy of my db synced on my NAS and phone. One of these days I'll upgrade, but I refuse to use a cloud variant or a browser plugin.
KeePass.

You can store the database on your NAS or in the cloud or really anywhere you feel is best and access it from any device that has access to your storage area.

There are clients for every major operating system and even some niche operating systems, most are free, and all of them can use the same database file.
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Old 04-06-2021, 02:11 PM   #21
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When it’s on a non-networked PC, I feel reasonably safe.
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Old 04-06-2021, 02:12 PM   #22
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KeePass.

You can store the database on your NAS or in the cloud or really anywhere you feel is best and access it from any device that has access to your storage area.

There are clients for every major operating system and even some niche operating systems, most are free, and all of them can use the same database file.
Thanks, I'll check it out. Looks much more advanced than what is essentially an encrypted flat file. lol
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Old 04-06-2021, 02:13 PM   #23
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When it’s on a non-networked PC, I feel reasonably safe.
I have a hard time envisioning how you would use a password manager on a non-networked machine. Kind of defeats the purpose of having a PORTABLE password manager.
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Old 04-06-2021, 02:15 PM   #24
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Thanks, I'll check it out. Looks much more advanced than what is essentially an encrypted flat file. lol
It all depends on the front end app. Some of them, like KeePass for Windows have a few hundred settings. KeePassXC for Linux has a dozen or so.

The big thing is that you have so many options for securing your database, from the encryption algorithm you use to 2-factor authentication.
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Old 04-06-2021, 02:18 PM   #25
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I have a hard time envisioning how you would use a password manager on a non-networked machine. Kind of defeats the purpose of having a PORTABLE password manager.
I didn’t realize we were talking about portability. In my home office, I have 3 computers: my personal networked pc, my personal nonnetworked pc, and my work laptop. I can only think of a handful of times over the years where I’ve needed something from my nonnetworked machine when I was out and about. I can see how that wouldn’t work for everyone though.
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Old 04-06-2021, 02:21 PM   #26
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I didn’t realize we were talking about portability. In my home office, I have 3 computers: my personal networked pc, my personal nonnetworked pc, and my work laptop. I can only think of a handful of times over the years where I’ve needed something from my nonnetworked machine when I was out and about. I can see how that wouldn’t work for everyone though.
I started with a password manager to make sure I never forgot one of the 2 or 3 dozen passwords I had almost 20 years ago now. Before that, I was using the same kind of method you are now.

I some time since realized that I could reliably increase my overall personal security on the internet by randomly generating a distinct 24-character password for each and every login I have.

I have over 1000 passwords in my KeePass database and the only one I have to remember is my KeePass password. I don't even have to remember that with my phone because I can unlock it with my face and a PIN number.
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Old 04-06-2021, 02:22 PM   #27
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Both of those seemed to be reviewed highly. So they in your opinion are not very user friendly?
They were both recommended to my by a cyber engineer friend as being effective. Using them was not intuitive to me but that could very well be due to a fault on my part. LastPass has a free trial and Keeper had a really low price around Black Friday. I'd say anyone who wanted to know how it works could try the LastPass free trial to see how they like it. My $.02 worth.
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Old 04-06-2021, 02:40 PM   #28
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I started with a password manager to make sure I never forgot one of the 2 or 3 dozen passwords I had almost 20 years ago now. Before that, I was using the same kind of method you are now.

I some time since realized that I could reliably increase my overall personal security on the internet by randomly generating a distinct 24-character password for each and every login I have.

I have over 1000 passwords in my KeePass database and the only one I have to remember is my KeePass password. I don't even have to remember that with my phone because I can unlock it with my face and a PIN number.
Yeah, I can certainly see the upside. Unfortunately there’s a proverb about old dogs and new tricks that seems to apply here, though you seem to found a workaround.
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Old 04-07-2021, 08:37 PM   #29
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1Password is the best hands down. It's a subscription, but well worth the money.

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Here is a decent run down of some popular pword managers.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/08/cnn-u...ers/index.html
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