75th Anniversary of D-Day. The greatest generation saves us from the Nazi's.

[BigRedChief]

At the time, we still could have lost the war, It was not decided. If this landing failed.... we could have ended up with Nazis controlling part of the world. These 18-20 year old kids who have never left their hometown out of the hills of Kentucky, plains of Kansas etc. saved us and the whole world from the Nazi's. A debt of remembrance is forever due.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by kgrund

The D-Day invasion not only saved Western Europe from the oppression of the Germans, but also saved Western Europe from Stalin and the Red Army. Your "technical turning point" of when the Germans may of lost WWII does not diminish the importance the invasion had on the war and post WWII Europe.

This is a far more accurate statement of the impact of D-Day and the events that followed through to the end of the war.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by kgrund

The D-Day invasion not only saved Western Europe from the oppression of the Germans, but also saved Western Europe from Stalin and the Red Army. Your "technical turning point" of when the Germans may of lost WWII does not diminish the importance the invasion had on the war and post WWII Europe.

So glad hundreds of thousands of Americans died to "save" Europe from the Soviets.

What a **** load of good that did.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

So glad hundreds of thousands of Americans died to "save" Europe from the Soviets.

What a **** load of good that did.

We were there to stimulate our stagnant economy, nothing more

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

We were there to stimulate our stagnant economy, nothing more

What's good for M&M Enterprises is good for America.

[Donger]

Wow. This thread needs an enema.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Donger

Wow. This thread needs an enema.

Go ahead and argue why it was better for the USA to "save" western Europe from the Soviets when they could have defeated Nazi Germany on their own.

[Amnorix]

And, by the way -- D-Day was (and remains to this day) the largest amphibian assault ever mounted. A truly stunning military feat that required an immense dedication of knowledge and resources that no one else in the world other than the British and Americans could possibly have pulled off at that point in time.

AND THE UNITED STATES WAS SIMULTANEOUSLY sending the second largest fleet in history out against Saipan. This would lead to the Battle of the Phillipines Sea (which included the aerial battle later known as the Great Marianas Turkey Shoot) in mid June, which would effectively eliminate the Japanese Navy as a true threat.

In that battle, the US had:

7 Fleet Carriers
8 Light Carriers
7 Battleships
8 Heavy Cruisers
13 Light Cruisers
68 Destroyers
28 Submarines

The carriers collectively could field 900 airplanes, which was almost double what both sides fielded off their carriers in the Battle of Midway only two years before.

Again, this MASSIVE naval force was in addition to the simultaneously occurring largest naval invasion, and largest fleet by sheer number of ships, ever fielded.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

So glad hundreds of thousands of Americans died to "save" Europe from the Soviets.

What a **** load of good that did.

I'm not sure what you're suggesting, but hopefully NOT that D-Day wasn't worth it, or was any kind of strategic or tactical error, because if so, you're very, VERY wrong.

Perhaps you should think of it this way -- the US was fighting against evil and oppression, and in favor of liberty and freedom. Soviet/Communist oppression and domination were perhaps not quite as bad as Nazi oppression and domination, but if not, it was only by a matter of degrees.

If you think letting the Nazis control Europe for several more years (the war in Europe would have taken longer to end if D-Day had not occurred) and then letting the Soviets control ALL OF EUROPE indefinitely is any kind of bright idea, then you're dumber than a bag of hammers. The world would be a MUCH different place now if Stalin had reached the ****ing English Channel.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

I'm not sure what you're suggesting, but hopefully NOT that D-Day wasn't worth it, or was any kind of strategic or tactical error, because if so, you're very, VERY wrong.

From an American perspective, no. It was not.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Go ahead and argue why it was better for the USA to "save" western Europe from the Soviets when they could have defeated Nazi Germany on their own.

You are asking me to explain to you why it was better to not have Western Europe under the control of the Soviet Union?

Anyway, it's very arguable that the Soviets would have defeated the Germans on their own.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

What's good for M&M Enterprises is good for America.

I've 2 words in response :

Fäntä Soda

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Donger

You are asking me to explain to you why it was better to not have Western Europe under the control of the Soviet Union?

Literally what I asked. But I erred here in thinking you'd come up with something substantive and not just another pithy interrogative.

Originally Posted by Donger

Anyway, it's very arguable that the Soviets would have defeated the Germans on their own.

Arguable =! proven.

I'll hang up and hear your answer on the air.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Literally what I asked. But I erred here in thinking you'd come up with something substantive and not just another pithy interrogative.



Arguable =! proven.

I'll hang up and hear your answer on the air.

Well, some people of of the opinion that Communist expansion into Western Europe would have been a negative. I realize that you're an isolationist and won't think beyond that.

And, no, the Soviets didn't defeat the Germans on their own. Not even close, actually.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Perhaps you should think of it this way -- the US was fighting against evil and oppression, and in favor of liberty and freedom. Soviet/Communist oppression and domination were perhaps not quite as bad as Nazi oppression and domination, but if not, it was only by a matter of degrees.

If you think letting the Nazis control Europe for several more years (the war in Europe would have taken longer to end if D-Day had not occurred) and then letting the Soviets control ALL OF EUROPE indefinitely is any kind of bright idea, then you're dumber than a bag of hammers. The world would be a MUCH different place now if Stalin had reached the ****ing English Channel.

The US was fighting for land on behalf of Allied governments, just as much as the Soviets were fighting for land on behalf of themselves. Along the way they wound up ending Holocaust so that puts them both on the right side of the moral high ground in that regard.

But for the Europeans of nationalities / religions / sexual orientations that weren't being massacred by the SS, there was little difference being "liberated" by the US or the USSR.

And the world being a much more different place does not intrinsically mean it would be a worse place.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Donger

Well, some people of of the opinion that Communist expansion into Western Europe would have been a negative.

And those people who harbored that opinion had a profit motive. Not an altruistic "we need to deliver freedom to oppressed people" motive.