The logic of drafting OT in the 1st.

[Sassy Squatch]

I'd go up and grab a guy like Slater if he dropped far enough.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

I'd go up and grab a guy like Slater if he dropped far enough.

Highly unlikely.

There’s a lot of buzz that many teams actually have Slater as OT1 over Sewell.

He’s going top 15 at least, maybe top 10.

[kccrow]

I have ER as the top need, followed closely by WR, and then OL (specifically RT and Center)

Now, I like Phillips, Rousseau, Oweh, Jones, and Weaver as fits on the edge. I'm not overly excited about Paye or Basham early. I'm not so sure I'd spend a 1 on Oweh. I think the kids from Miami are gone. That leaves looking the ones from Pitt, and that DL was very talented. So, who is a beneficiary and who is the difference maker? I've been a fan of Weaver but I'm unsure about round 1 with him as well. I like him more than his teammate Jones as a guy that generates his own wins.

At WR, I have Chase, Smith, Waddle, Marshall, Toney, and Stevenson as guys I like early. I think the first three go pretty early. I think we'd have a to move up a handful of slots to get Marshall. I could be a buyer on either of the other 2 but...

That kind of leaves the what you bring up at OT and I'm a big fan of keeping Mahomes breathing. I don't trust Niang enough after an opt out rookie year to lock him in. I've said all along that if Jalen Mayfield is sitting there, I'd have a really hard time passing him up. I maintain that stance. I feel like Mayfield is that Schwartz/Conklin quality of RT that you don't find many of. This is a guy that went toe-to-toe with Chase Young and pretty well shut him down. He's the only OT I'd consider round 1. So would I take Mayfield over Jones, Weaver, Toney, and Stevenson? The answer for me is a resounding yes. I have alot more faith a really good receiver is there at the end of 2 or 3 than I do a RT of Mayfield's quality. You also have the opportunity to fix two spots with one pick by kicking Niang to guard.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I have ER as the top need, followed closely by WR, and then OL (specifically RT and Center)

Now, I like Phillips, Rousseau, Oweh, Jones, and Weaver as fits on the edge. I'm not overly excited about Paye or Basham early. I'm not so sure I'd spend a 1 on Oweh. I think the kids from Miami are gone. That leaves looking the ones from Pitt, and that DL was very talented. So, who is a beneficiary and who is the difference maker? I've been a fan of Weaver but I'm unsure about round 1 with him as well. I like him more than his teammate Jones as a guy that generates his own wins.

At WR, I have Chase, Smith, Waddle, Marshall, Toney, and Stevenson as guys I like early. I think the first three go pretty early. I think we'd have a to move up a handful of slots to get Marshall. I could be a buyer on either of the other 2 but...

That kind of leaves the what you bring up at OT and I'm a big fan of keeping Mahomes breathing. I don't trust Niang enough after an opt out rookie year to lock him in. I've said all along that if Jalen Mayfield is sitting there, I'd have a really hard time passing him up. I maintain that stance. I feel like Mayfield is that Schwartz/Conklin quality of RT that you don't find many of. This is a guy that went toe-to-toe with Chase Young and pretty well shut him down. He's the only OT I'd consider round 1. So would I take Mayfield over Jones, Weaver, Toney, and Stevenson? The answer for me is a resounding yes. I have alot more faith a really good receiver is there at the end of 2 or 3 than I do a RT of Mayfield's quality. You also have the opportunity to fix two spots with one pick by kicking Niang to guard.

Niang played his ass off against Chase Young, right?

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Niang played his ass off against Chase Young, right?

Are you going to argue that the Chase Young Niang squared off against when Young was a Sophomore is the same Chase Young that Mayfield squared off against as a Junior? I don't think so.

That said, Niang was a catalyst for making Young a better player and focusing on his technique, so that's good for Young and a testimate to Niang using sound technique to beat pure athleticism.

While I do have some hope that Niang will become a good RT in this league, I do question him not wanting to be around for his rookie season. I get that COVID is "no joke" but are top athletes really an at risk group? I don't know, I'm not going to label him a pussy but it just doesn't sit well for me especially in that toughness department.

Anyhow, I'm not putting my eggs in any particular basket and, unlike some, I still consider RT on the table in round 1. To me, round 1 isn't for "playmakers," its for pillars. I consider OT a pillar. Argue all day on that one and my mind won't be changed.

I agree with a few others that interior offensive line, particularly Center, is a must have by the end of round 4 and I prefer a day 2 pick. I don't think you can go into 2021 with the current O-line and a couple round 6 guys. I just don't think you put Pat in that situation where he's going to have to wait until at least 2022 to see an improvement, if not 2023. Sure, you can patch in a couple shitty free agents, but generally they are exactly that. I don't mind Kilgore, actually, and wouldn't mind him back over Reiter but Reid has his odd loyalties.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Are you going to argue that the Chase Young Niang squared off against when Young was a Sophomore is the same Chase Young that Mayfield squared off against as a Junior? I don't think so.

That said, Niang was a catalyst for making Young a better player and focusing on his technique, so that's good for Young and a testimate to Niang using sound technique to beat pure athleticism.

While I do have some hope that Niang will become a good RT in this league, I do question him not wanting to be around for his rookie season. I get that COVID is "no joke" but are top athletes really an at risk group? I don't know, I'm not going to label him a pussy but it just doesn't sit well for me especially in that toughness department.

Anyhow, I'm not putting my eggs in any particular basket and, unlike some, I still consider RT on the table in round 1. To me, round 1 isn't for "playmakers," its for pillars. I consider OT a pillar. Argue all day on that one and my mind won't be changed.

I agree with a few others that interior offensive line, particularly Center, is a must have by the end of round 4 and I prefer a day 2 pick. I don't think you can go into 2021 with the current O-line and a couple round 6 guys. I just don't think you put Pat in that situation where he's going to have to wait until at least 2022 to see an improvement, if not 2023. Sure, you can patch in a couple shitty free agents, but generally they are exactly that. I don't mind Kilgore, actually, and wouldn't mind him back over Reiter but Reid has his odd loyalties.

OT at least has a higher value. It wouldn't be terrible in the 1st. I'd rather have other positions but OT isn't a bad thing. IOL would be though.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Are you going to argue that the Chase Young Niang squared off against when Young was a Sophomore is the same Chase Young that Mayfield squared off against as a Junior? I don't think so.

That said, Niang was a catalyst for making Young a better player and focusing on his technique, so that's good for Young and a testimate to Niang using sound technique to beat pure athleticism.

While I do have some hope that Niang will become a good RT in this league, I do question him not wanting to be around for his rookie season. I get that COVID is "no joke" but are top athletes really an at risk group? I don't know, I'm not going to label him a pussy but it just doesn't sit well for me especially in that toughness department.

Anyhow, I'm not putting my eggs in any particular basket and, unlike some, I still consider RT on the table in round 1. To me, round 1 isn't for "playmakers," its for pillars. I consider OT a pillar. Argue all day on that one and my mind won't be changed.

I agree with a few others that interior offensive line, particularly Center, is a must have by the end of round 4 and I prefer a day 2 pick. I don't think you can go into 2021 with the current O-line and a couple round 6 guys. I just don't think you put Pat in that situation where he's going to have to wait until at least 2022 to see an improvement, if not 2023. Sure, you can patch in a couple shitty free agents, but generally they are exactly that. I don't mind Kilgore, actually, and wouldn't mind him back over Reiter but Reid has his odd loyalties.

All of this is fair except you can get all the way off Niang’s back for the opt out.

You don’t know his life circumstances and you don’t know what he’s dealing with.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I do question him not wanting to be around for his rookie season. I get that COVID is "no joke" but are top athletes really an at risk group? I don't know, I'm not going to label him a pussy but it just doesn't sit well for me especially in that toughness department.

AMEN AND AMEN

What does it say about a kid's character and desire to play in the NFL especially being drafted by the defending SB champs knowing you have a great chance to repeat and protect the GOAT QB ??

Right now Niang will have to prove himself to me because right now he is on my sh** list.

[htismaqe]

It's gonna be awesome to watch them use premium currency on offensive linemen only to have Patrick out there running around and people still blaming it on the offensive line.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's gonna be awesome to watch them use premium currency on offensive linemen only to have Patrick out there running around and people still blaming it on the offensive line.

And that’s exactly what will happen because people seem to think that great lines can keep a mobile QB upright while holding their blocks for 7 or more seconds.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And that’s exactly what will happen because people seem to think that great lines can keep a mobile QB upright while holding their blocks for 7 or more seconds.

Yep.

[Chris Meck]

the simple fact of the matter is that if the line was a little better, we'd be better in the red zone, running the ball, and protecting Mahomes.

We can all argue about how much better, but it's clear that we could be more efficient in those areas.

I doubt that a Center or Guard is worth a #1 this year, but I DO expect a little more emphasis on the line this offseason given all of the injuries this season.

*by that I mean some mid-round picks as opposed to the usual late picks and UDFA's.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

the simple fact of the matter is that if the line was a little better, we'd be better in the red zone, running the ball, and protecting Mahomes.

We can all argue about how much better, but it's clear that we could be more efficient in those areas.

I doubt that a Center or Guard is worth a #1 this year, but I DO expect a little more emphasis on the line this offseason given all of the injuries this season.

*by that I mean some mid-round picks as opposed to the usual late picks and UDFA's.

If there's a good center prospect there at #64, I'd probably take him. Other than that, yeah, mid-round picks would be good. Hopefully we'll have an extra third from EB.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

If there's a good center prospect there at #64, I'd probably take him. Other than that, yeah, mid-round picks would be good. Hopefully we'll have an extra third from EB.

completely in agreement.

Personally, I'm leaning towards a DE in round one if there's a good fit.

But in Veach I trust.