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UChieffyBugger · 10-13-2019, 06:22 PM

The history books tell everyone what is needed to succeed..DEFENSE. And yet here we are, following the same path as the Vikings 98, Rams 2001 and all the other "great" offenses that didn't win a damn thing. Since 2001 the proof is there for all to see!!..Seahawks, Ravens, Denver, Steelers, Patriots, Tampa, Giants etc etc have all won because of good defense and before we waste another year of our genius QB, I believe In the offseason we should tear this thing down and begin the process of building a competent defense so we can have a realistic chance of finally winning a championship.

If it means getting rid of Andy and Veach...DO IT.

If it means getting rid of some of our offensive stars, collecting picks, drafting all defense and spending all the money we have on defense...DO IT

We've seen the mistakes Green bay have made with Rodgers and now finally they have given him a decent defense for the first time In ten years and they look very good. We need to start the process NOW and hopefully Pat would be able to elevate less talented offensive players If need be. Because I simply cannot see any way around this...the current philosophy is a losing hand, PERIOD. We saw it last year and sadly we're gonna see it again this year!!..bank on it.

2bikemike · 10-13-2019, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

We need a front 4 who can get off a block and pressure a QB.....and linebackers who can ****ing tackle.

I am sick of seeing guys trying to tackle up around the shoulders or just thinking a big hit is going to take a player out. I am sick of guys not ganging up and hitting when their team mate has a player in his grasp. Get pissed and make them pay for getting the ball!

YontsRBake · 10-13-2019, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

We were 1-5 in 2015, not 2016.

NOW WHO'S THE FAIR WEATHER FAN????????

My fault. 2015 and 2017. I recall similar posts and meltdowns in here.

Reid is a great coach, losing a game in fkn week 6 to go to 4-2 doesn’t change that.

UChieffyBugger · 10-13-2019, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

A 9-7 Giants team won a Super Bowl as I recall. That defense was crap too. With a very average QB, and less talented offense overall.

And last year with a second-to-last defense, we were a coin flip from winning the AFCCG.

We don't need a top 5 defense. If Mahomes, the offensive line, and the defensive front-7 is healthy by the playoffs, the team is good enough to win a SB this year. They do have to find a middle LB that can actually stop the run, but with that they are good enough this year. Next year might be different.

That Giants defense stood up when it counted in the Super Bowl!!..this defense is simply not on the same level. I'm not gonna be In denial about this team..THEY ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH, period.

YontsRBake · 10-13-2019, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Vegas

Curious who’s a fair weather fan in here? KC never gave anyone the choice to be one until last year. Haven’t seen an influx of new heads but I work a lot so I maybe I don’t see as much as you do.

You’re confusing fair weather with bandwagon. Influx of new heads would be bandwagon. Fair weather would be having a meltdown and abandoning ship in week 6, like this board is doing.

UChieffyBugger · 10-13-2019, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by YontsRBake

Some fair weather fans in here.

Bet you were calling for Reid’s job when we were 1-5 in 2015 and 6-6 in 2017 then shut right the fk up for all of 2018 and considered him a great coach.

Let the season play out, it’s week 6 and we are 4-2. We have a coach that has gone to the playoffs 5/6 years and developed this team to an offensive juggernaut, who has dealt with multiple key injuries this year. calling for his head at this point is dumb.

What did we win on those years???? Oh yes, NOTHING!!. And in both cases how did we go out of the playoffs? Oh yes...THE OTHER TEAM RAN THE BALL DOWN OUR MOUTH and took time off the clock!!..sounds familiar, doesn't it?

raidersnumber1 · 10-13-2019, 06:42 PM

It's funny how quickly things change.

whatever happened to the offseason mantra around here "we have Mahomes, no one can beat us!"

Fickle fans!

**petegz28** · 10-13-2019, 06:42 PM

We do need a culture change. It's time to become a defensive team. When you have a QB like Mahomes you don't need many other pieces on offense. You keep Reek and Kelce. If you can pick up a solid RB then great. Other than that we need to focus on defense Baltimore style. Or even New England style.

NE has rotated WR's and RB's like nothing. What they do maintain is solid lines and and good defenses.

If we had a solid defense then Mahomes, Hill and Kelce would absolutely wreck shit.

UChieffyBugger · 10-13-2019, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

It's even more painful that we were so goddamn close to going into the history books by winning a Super Bowl with the putrid defense we had last year. I don't know the worst defense to ever win a Super Bowl, but I'll bet it wasn't as bad as the D we had last year.

I honestly don't think we would have beaten the Rams even if we went to the SB tbh. Their offense looked bad against the Pats because of Bill!!...wouldn't have been the same against us.

Megatron96 · 10-13-2019, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

That Giants defense stood up when it counted in the Super Bowl!!..this defense is simply not on the same level. I'm not gonna be In denial about this team..THEY ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH, period.

Yes they did. But up until then, they were garbage. Everyone in the league thought so. And they didn't really have any more talent on defense than what we have now.

Our unit could turn things around; there's 11 weeks left to see if they do.

**notorious** · 10-13-2019, 06:44 PM

There's only one way to get a culture change.

YontsRBake · 10-13-2019, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Why Not?

You damn right I was. I’ve said the same thing about Reid for years. He’s a great regular season coach. I get why he won’t get fired. But if we ever win a Super Bowl with him as the HC, it will be in spite of him, not because of him. I got a 20 plus year track record of evidence that supports my take, if you’d like to review it.

If you see him as a regular season coach and want a super bowl. Why are you ready to give up on him in week 6. If we finish 10-6 from here and win a SB, does this game matter?

All I’m saying is let the playoffs play out, if we lose games like this to good teams in the reg season but win in the offs, that gives us what we truly want.

Pats started 1-2 last year. The Regular season does not matter beyond making the playoffs and there’s 0 chance we don’t make it. If we lose in the playoffs I’ll agree, but let’s wait to see that play out first.

**RealSNR** · 10-13-2019, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by YontsRBake

You’re confusing fair weather with bandwagon. Influx of new heads would be bandwagon. Fair weather would be having a meltdown and abandoning ship in week 6, like this board is doing.

I think the number of people actually abandoning ship is very small. Abandoning ship isn't criticizing the people in charge or having doubts about the direction the team is going in. Abandoning ship is turning off the games and ignoring it all.

Guess where my ass is gonna be on Thursday night. On the same ****ing couch it was on today for 3 hours.

**petegz28** · 10-13-2019, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

Yes they did. But up until then, they were garbage. Everyone in the league thought so. And they didn't really have any more talent on defense than what we have now.

Our unit could turn things around; there's 11 weeks left to see if they do.

NE=great QB + great defense.

KC= great QB + great WR + great TE + horrible defense

We need to focus less on the offensive skill positions and more on the defense overall

**notorious** · 10-13-2019, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

I think the number of people actually abandoning ship is very small. Abandoning ship isn't criticizing the people in charge or having doubts about the direction the team is going in. Abandoning ship is turning off the games and ignoring it all.

Guess where my ass is gonna be on Thursday night. On the same ****ing couch it was on today for 3 hours.

My ass will be watching Jr. High football. It will be nice to watch players tackle properly.

comochiefsfan · 10-13-2019, 06:48 PM

As long as Andy is here, we’ll have a lot of regular season success but will choke when it matters.

It’s been that way for his entire career. Why would it change now?

10-13-2019, 06:22 PM
UChieffyBugger CP'S "MOST HATED" 😆 UChieffyBugger's Avatar Join Date: Feb 2018	WE NEED A CULTURE CHANGE!! The history books tell everyone what is needed to succeed..DEFENSE. And yet here we are, following the same path as the Vikings 98, Rams 2001 and all the other "great" offenses that didn't win a damn thing. Since 2001 the proof is there for all to see!!..Seahawks, Ravens, Denver, Steelers, Patriots, Tampa, Giants etc etc have all won because of good defense and before we waste another year of our genius QB, I believe In the offseason we should tear this thing down and begin the process of building a competent defense so we can have a realistic chance of finally winning a championship. If it means getting rid of Andy and Veach...DO IT. If it means getting rid of some of our offensive stars, collecting picks, drafting all defense and spending all the money we have on defense...DO IT We've seen the mistakes Green bay have made with Rodgers and now finally they have given him a decent defense for the first time In ten years and they look very good. We need to start the process NOW and hopefully Pat would be able to elevate less talented offensive players If need be. Because I simply cannot see any way around this...the current philosophy is a losing hand, PERIOD. We saw it last year and sadly we're gonna see it again this year!!..bank on it. Last edited by UChieffyBugger; 10-13-2019 at 06:33 PM..
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10-13-2019, 06:42 PM	#21
raidersnumber1 Coomer raidersnumber1's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2019	It's funny how quickly things change. whatever happened to the offseason mantra around here "we have Mahomes, no one can beat us!" Fickle fans!
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10-13-2019, 06:42 PM	#22
petegz28 Supporter petegz28's Avatar Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks	We do need a culture change. It's time to become a defensive team. When you have a QB like Mahomes you don't need many other pieces on offense. You keep Reek and Kelce. If you can pick up a solid RB then great. Other than that we need to focus on defense Baltimore style. Or even New England style. NE has rotated WR's and RB's like nothing. What they do maintain is solid lines and and good defenses. If we had a solid defense then Mahomes, Hill and Kelce would absolutely wreck shit.
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notorious Supporter notorious's Avatar Join Date: May 2005 Location: Who knows?	There's only one way to get a culture change.
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10-13-2019, 06:48 PM	#30
comochiefsfan MVP comochiefsfan's Avatar Join Date: Dec 2018	As long as Andy is here, we’ll have a lot of regular season success but will choke when it matters. It’s been that way for his entire career. Why would it change now?
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