AI's role in employment

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Having just gone through a job search, I can definitely attest that AI has made things a bit of a mess. HR departments made applicants' lives miserable by moving to applicant tracking systems and some version of keyword/AI ranking over the past 5-10 years. That was a pain, but now applicants have their own AI help in ChatGPT in the like, making it relatively easy to tailor your resume to a job application, so now all of those ATS's are ranking tons of people highly who might not actually be all that qualified - they're just good at gaming the system.

I managed to find a job through a combination of that and actually reaching out to the hiring manager to introduce myself. I think all sides are starting to lose faith that the current system is functioning efficiently.

Unless something goes horribly awry, I completed my 3rd successful job interview in 30 years yesterday. I'm comfortably retired and applying for jobs far below positions I've held previously, and the process is ridiculous. And then you walk in to almost any retail space and it's filled with WTF employees.

I really don't understand how we got here.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

Unless something goes horribly awry, I completed my 3rd successful job interview in 30 years yesterday. I'm comfortably retired and applying for jobs far below positions I've held previously, and the process is ridiculous. And then you walk in to almost any retail space and it's filled with WTF employees.

I really don't understand how we got here.

This will probably get me labeled as an angry old Boomer, but here goes.

The whole desire to de-humanize the interview process began some time ago, when HR(Talent Acquisition in some companies) decided it wanted to streamline the actually job they are paid to do, interview possible candidates for any open position. The genius that said "let's make a program that uses keywords" to filter thru potential applicants instead of taking the time to actually read the resume and see the true qualifications, that is the guy I want to choke.

Now, I get in this day and age companies get tons of resumes for job openings and the thought of having to sift thru all of them is mind boggling. But narrowing the key words to specific items really does de-humanize the person and doesn't take into consideration other skills that may match the qualifications.

I said this in another thread.....having lost out on good potential candidates (it's too long of another story to put in this long rant) I started making the HR team send me in one batch, the list of the possible candidates they chose to forward to me for further consideration.....and in another batch, send me those who they rejected on the first pass.

Funny thing....most of the candidates that I ended up hiring came from the second batch. And all of them actually turned out to be damn good associates.

Rant over...

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Having just gone through a job search, I can definitely attest that AI has made things a bit of a mess. HR departments made applicants' lives miserable by moving to applicant tracking systems and some version of keyword/AI ranking over the past 5-10 years. That was a pain, but now applicants have their own AI help in ChatGPT in the like, making it relatively easy to tailor your resume to a job application, so now all of those ATS's are ranking tons of people highly who might not actually be all that qualified - they're just good at gaming the system.

I managed to find a job through a combination of that and actually reaching out to the hiring manager to introduce myself. I think all sides are starting to lose faith that the current system is functioning efficiently.

So am I understanding it properly that you plug into chat GPT Make me a resume for this job description?

And then the hiring managers are using an AI tool to select resumes based off this job description?

So any applicant NOT using AI is certainly not to get selected?

And it's been my (albeit limited) experience that job descriptions rarely represent the actual job.

That does seem to be a Pioli-esque tirefire.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Having just gone through a job search, I can definitely attest that AI has made things a bit of a mess. HR departments made applicants' lives miserable by moving to applicant tracking systems and some version of keyword/AI ranking over the past 5-10 years. That was a pain, but now applicants have their own AI help in ChatGPT in the like, making it relatively easy to tailor your resume to a job application, so now all of those ATS's are ranking tons of people highly who might not actually be all that qualified - they're just good at gaming the system.

I managed to find a job through a combination of that and actually reaching out to the hiring manager to introduce myself. I think all sides are starting to lose faith that the current system is functioning efficiently.

Originally Posted by Buehler445

So am I understanding it properly that you plug into chat GPT Make me a resume for this job description?

And then the hiring managers are using an AI tool to select resumes based off this job description?

So any applicant NOT using AI is certainly not to get selected?

And it's been my (albeit limited) experience that job descriptions rarely represent the actual job.

That does seem to be a Pioli-esque tirefire.

Big opportunity for well-ran companies that put out the effort and do the leg work to get good applicants that will eventually be employees.

Lazy companies lean on AI for applicants, and they will pay the price.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

So am I understanding it properly that you plug into chat GPT Make me a resume for this job description?

And then the hiring managers are using an AI tool to select resumes based off this job description?

So any applicant NOT using AI is certainly not to get selected?

And it's been my (albeit limited) experience that job descriptions rarely represent the actual job.

That does seem to be a Pioli-esque tirefire.

That's over-simplified, but you've got the gist. Keyword stuffing has been a recommended approach for a while now, but it was always time-consuming for an individual to do.

I wouldn't say you could just tell ChatGPT to generate a resume for a job from scratch, but my approach was to feed it a job description, then feed it my resume, then ask it what keywords were missing. I could ask it to suggest words I could change to improve my match rate and things like that. I didn't ever take its suggestions directly, but I used it extensively to help me know what kinds of tweaks I could make, then made the ones I thought fit my style.

However, I was going for the low(ish) volume, high probability approach. For someone in a field like software engineering where people are applying to hundreds of jobs, I have no doubts that some people literally feed it a job description, feed it a rough resume, and ask it to spit out something that will score well in the ATS.

[BlackHelicopters]

The robots rise up.

[Otter]

On a somewhat related issue: I ordered Concord Grape Juice from Amazon last week and I received Celery, Apple and Cucumber Juice from a different vendor. Someone at the distribution center was in a IDGF mood that day.

I can't return it because it's a consumable and when I try to report the problem via the website I get stuck in a constant loop of this 'this item cannot be returned click here'.

No phone number to call.

I didn't even know this shit existed but due to the ROI of trying to correct the problem I'm about to find out what celery, apple, and cucumber juice tastes like.