***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BigCatDaddy]

Stem Cells?

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/hea...XGuPQTAMT6KqS4

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...worried-about/

This is the coronavirus math that has experts so worried: Running out of ventilators, hospital beds

You left off this part:

For weeks now, America’s leaders and its public have been obsessed with one set of numbers: How many people have died? How many confirmed cases? And in what states?

But to understand why experts are so alarmed and what may be coming next, the public needs to start paying attention to a whole other set of numbers: How many ventilators do we have in this country? How many hospital beds? How many doctors and nurses? And most importantly, how many sick people can they all treat at the same time?

It was never mostly about overrunning hospitals.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

Sure, I could pull up the briefing where a certain person went on about number of deaths, and that's why the guidelines were introduced.

But, do I really need to do that?

Donger this is basic math..

Prevent run on hospitals by slowing the spread so when people do go to the hospitals there are resources to address them and people are not dying from a lack of resources.

It's plain and simple. Go away now.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

You left off this part:

For weeks now, America’s leaders and its public have been obsessed with one set of numbers: How many people have died? How many confirmed cases? And in what states?

But to understand why experts are so alarmed and what may be coming next, the public needs to start paying attention to a whole other set of numbers: How many ventilators do we have in this country? How many hospital beds? How many doctors and nurses? And most importantly, how many sick people can they all treat at the same time?

It was never mostly about overrunning hospitals.

Nope, never was......

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Important to remember that #Covid-19 epidemic control measures may only delay cases, not prevent. However, this helps limit surge and gives hospitals time to prepare and manage. It's the difference between finding an ICU bed & ventilator or being treated in the parking lot tent. pic.twitter.com/VOyfBcLMus

— Drew A. Harris, DPM, MPH (@drewaharris) February 28, 2020

"May" is the key word there. and thats from 2-28.


why dont you post dr. fauci's quote?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

you can post whatever you want but you are flat out wrong about the primary goal of the shut down. It was to protect the hospitals. Sorry if you don't agree but that's your problem.

Do you recall Dr. Birx' briefing, or not?

Do you agree that if you don't get infected, you don't go to hospital, or die?

I know the agenda at work here, but you don't get to change history (or logic) because of that agenda.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Nope, never was......

Thanks for the article, actually. It shows I'm correct.

For weeks now, America’s leaders and its public have been obsessed with one set of numbers: How many people have died? How many confirmed cases?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Donger

Thanks for the article, actually. It shows I'm correct.

For weeks now, America’s leaders and its public have been obsessed with one set of numbers: How many people have died? How many confirmed cases?

But that says leaders and public?

We’re talking about what the experts said, which is the part Pete bolded. Good god.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Donger this is basic math..

Prevent run on hospitals by slowing the spread so when people do go to the hospitals there are resources to address them and people are not dying from a lack of resources.

It's plain and simple. Go away now.

And how does social distancing play affect that, pete? It's almost like if people don't get the virus, they don't go to hospital. And die. Eh?

We locked down to minimize infections. Which prevents hospital overruns, Which minimizes deaths.

It's not hard to figure out.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

"May" is the key word there. and thats from 2-28.


why dont you post dr. fauci's quote?

I didn't know he was the gospel....

You guys can say what you want, everyone in their brother knows the primary reason for the initial shut down was to slow the spread so we didn't run out of resources.

Spin away with whatever you want.....I am done with this specific topic for the day.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by staylor26

But that says leaders and public?

We’re talking about what the experts said, which is the part Pete bolded. Good god.

Dr. Birx and Fauci have both made it clear that they wanted to minimize infections. That's the start. Everything else flows from that.

Someone posted a quote from Fauci on that.

It's just common sense.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Donger

You left off this part:

For weeks now, America’s leaders and its public have been obsessed with one set of numbers: How many people have died? How many confirmed cases? And in what states?

But to understand why experts are so alarmed and what may be coming next, the public needs to start paying attention to a whole other set of numbers: How many ventilators do we have in this country? How many hospital beds? How many doctors and nurses? And most importantly, how many sick people can they all treat at the same time?

It was never mostly about overrunning hospitals.

Who gives a **** about what the leaders and the public were obsessed with?

We’re talking about what the experts were giving as the justification for shutting everything down and it’s literally right there.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Who gives a **** about what the leaders and the public were obsessed with?

We’re talking about what the experts were giving as the justification for shutting everything down and it’s literally right there.

Yes, it is. Dr. Fauci:

“If you look at the curves of outbreaks, you know, they go up big peaks, and then they come down. What we need to do is flatten that down,” he has said publicly. “That would have less people infected. That would, ultimately, have less deaths.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Who gives a **** about what the leaders and the public were obsessed with?

We’re talking about what the experts were giving as the justification for shutting everything down and it’s literally right there.

And, you should re-read those two paragraphs again. They were alarmed about both.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes, it is. Dr. Fauci:

“If you look at the curves of outbreaks, you know, they go up big peaks, and then they come down. What we need to do is flatten that down,” he has said publicly. “That would have less people infected. That would, ultimately, have less deaths.”

But if hospitals aren’t being overrun then the # of infections and the mortality rate do not justify a prolonged shut down.

It’s really that simple but you’re dancing around it.