***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[dirk digler]

Cuomo in his PC today said Chicago and NY based off what CDC has told them are going back to November and December to look at flu like deaths to check for Covid.


As I said yesterday every state\major city should be doing this to see when it possibly showed up in their respective areas.

[lewdog]

Someone inaccurately reported that we had no deaths yesterday for AZ.

Real story.......

There were 31 COVID-19 deaths between Tuesday and Wednesday, the second largest daily increase reported by the state.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...y7UbOFbeQDHXE0

[O.city]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Cuomo in his PC today said Chicago and NY based off what CDC has told them are going back to November and December to look at flu like deaths to check for Covid.


As I said yesterday every state\major city should be doing this to see when it possibly showed up in their respective areas.

If it were here and circulating then, doesn't that change our course of action?

[Discuss Thrower]

Imperial College forecasting up to 23,000 deaths if Italians resume 40% of their normal pre-lockdown activities.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by O.city

If it were here and circulating then, doesn't that change our course of action?

How would it? It seems like it might change our understanding of it some, but I'm not sure how it would change any of our current strategies. It's here now regardless of how long it took for it to show up on our radar.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaFace

How would it? It seems like it might change our understanding of it some, but I'm not sure how it would change any of our current strategies. It's here now regardless of how long it took for it to show up on our radar.

Theoretically, if it is as infectious and explosive as we think, if it were here then, it would have overwhelmed hospitals sooner than it has.

If there was community spread in January and February in these places as is to be thought, the hospitals didn't seem to realize or notice it.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Imperial College forecasting up to 23,000 deaths if Italians resume 40% of their normal pre-lockdown activities.

Is that the same douche that predicted 2 million deaths in the US?

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by O.city

Theoretically, if it is as infectious and explosive as we think, if it were here then, it would have overwhelmed hospitals sooner than it has.

If there was community spread in January and February in these places as is to be thought, the hospitals didn't seem to realize or notice it.

All of that may be true, but I still don't see how it changes what we're doing now.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Is that the same douche that predicted 2 million deaths in the US?

Can't argue with math bro.


Also, this boffo story:

"ST. LOUIS – You Paid For It investigator Elliott Davis learned calls for evictions have jumped nearly 40 percent since the coronavirus crisis.

Sheriff Vernon Betts says his office is getting a lot of calls from landlords wanting to evict people from homes and apartments.

In normal times landlords go to court and get an eviction order. Then it falls on the sheriff’s office to actually serve the notice and evict the family. But the eviction notices have been put on hold by the Presiding Judge since the coronavirus crisis. Families are not being evicted right now."

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by O.city

If it were here and circulating then, doesn't that change our course of action?

I agree with Daface it wouldn't change what we are currently doing. It will help determine though if more people had it way earlier than previously known.

[O.city]

Kinda brings it back to the iceberg theory. It's huge underneath, small up top of what we see.

There's tons of infections or previous infections that have recovered underneath, we see the hospitalizations and deaths up top. Looking at the numbers of the elderly this wipes out, maybe it just rides along in the normal population then gets in these areas and explodes.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Can't argue with math bro.


Also, this boffo story:

"ST. LOUIS – You Paid For It investigator Elliott Davis learned calls for evictions have jumped nearly 40 percent since the coronavirus crisis.

Sheriff Vernon Betts says his office is getting a lot of calls from landlords wanting to evict people from homes and apartments.

In normal times landlords go to court and get an eviction order. Then it falls on the sheriff’s office to actually serve the notice and evict the family. But the eviction notices have been put on hold by the Presiding Judge since the coronavirus crisis. Families are not being evicted right now."

The deaths and medicine of C19 can be argued but the economics are very real. This economy is screwed long term and that is very real...

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaFace

All of that may be true, but I still don't see how it changes what we're doing now.

Again, theoretically, it would be argued that what we did was overkill and we didn't focus our efforts in the right direction.

Theoretically.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by O.city

Kinda brings it back to the iceberg theory. It's huge underneath, small up top of what we see.

There's tons of infections or previous infections that have recovered underneath, we see the hospitalizations and deaths up top. Looking at the numbers of the elderly this wipes out, maybe it just rides along in the normal population then gets in these areas and explodes.

Certainly possible.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Certainly possible.

It's just amazing that the more and more we test, the more and more we find which was always seemingly the case.

So if that is in fact the case, woudln't we have found the same thing a month ago we're finding now?