***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I'll pass, thanks.

I'll sign the waiver and take my chances with the chloriquine/Z pack/Zinc treatments.

Why do you trust one more than the other, both were invented by similar people . What makes one drug company more trustworthy than an other.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Rausch

This 19 seems to be the opposite: it's spreading quickly and just not very deadly. Even if we just take the confirmed positives this wasn't as deadly as thought and there are estimates (for all that's worth) that positives could be 20x higher that what we've tested.

Perhaps it's just my perception but C19 seemed to be very strong at the beginning and as it spread it got weaker and weaker...

not very deadly?

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Why do you trust one more than the other, both were invented by similar people . What makes one drug company more trustworthy than an other.

I'm more worried about the person using the gun than the person who invented it.

I don't want to go into politics so I'll say I don't like the influence Dr. Oompah Loompah, Bill Gates, and the whole vaccine legal/business system.

Some vaccines have helped to save humanity and some have helped to spread cancer around the globe. There's a special vaccine court system set up just for this type of thing...

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

not very deadly?

European estimates (for the US) were up to 2million dead.
Trump and CDC estimated 200,000 dead.

We're at 33,000 as of yesterday and that's beyond best case. That's also a much lower mortality rate than anyone else experienced.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I'm more worried about the person using the gun than the person who invented it.

I don't want to go into politics so I'll say I don't like the influence Dr. Oompah Loompah, Bill Gates, and the whole vaccine legal/business system.

Some vaccines have helped to save humanity and some have helped to spread cancer around the globe. There's a special vaccine court system set up just for this type of thing...

Do you know who invented HCQ or zpack and what if any political Influence /money was behind their reasons for creating it, doesn’t matter?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Rausch

European estimates (for the US) were up to 2million dead.
Trump and CDC estimated 200,000 dead.

We're at 33,000 as of yesterday and that's beyond best case. That's also a much lower mortality rate than anyone else experienced.

The estimates used by the task force were 1.5 and 2.2 million deaths with no mitigation. With mitigation, they estimated 100,000 to 240,000 deaths.

Per the CDC, we've had 68,279 deaths so far.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Rausch

European estimates (for the US) were up to 2million dead.
Trump and CDC estimated 200,000 dead.

We're at 33,000 as of yesterday and that's beyond best case. That's also a much lower mortality rate than anyone else experienced.

Probably should rethink that.

We've already exceeded 70,000 American deaths, but that number will go beyond 100,000 in ~2 weeks, at or around May 19https://t.co/hQihH0EdIK by @youyangguhttps://t.co/utSSJylz1M by @BMcNoldy #COVID19US pic.twitter.com/v9EtIScNG2

— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) May 6, 2020

[O.city]

It's gonna end up being well over 50% of deaths coming from nursing homes and the like. We should have focused way more efforts on that area. Maybe thats monday morning QB"ing but damn it.

[O.city]

If we're catching 1 in 10 or 1 in 20 of the infections with the testing as has been theorized, it would drastically reduce the death rate. So i guess thats a bright spot on a shit turd.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rausch

European estimates (for the US) were up to 2million dead.
Trump and CDC estimated 200,000 dead.

We're at 33,000 as of yesterday and that's beyond best case. That's also a much lower mortality rate than anyone else experienced.

You need better sources.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

It's gonna end up being well over 50% of deaths coming from nursing homes and the like. We should have focused way more efforts on that area. Maybe thats monday morning QB"ing but damn it.

Its not MMQBing, many people were for that approach from the beginning.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by O.city

It's gonna end up being well over 50% of deaths coming from nursing homes and the like. We should have focused way more efforts on that area. Maybe thats monday morning QB"ing but damn it.

I think there was a focus but it’s virulence just makes it so hard to keep it out , as long as staff continue to get exposed its going to be hard to keep out.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

not very deadly?

It's bad in quantity because it spreads so fast, but as a percentage it isn't that bad compared to other diseases.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I think there was a focus but it’s virulence just makes it so hard to keep it out , as long as staff continue to get exposed its going to be hard to keep out.

They were sending positive cases back to them in various states. Thats not a focus.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

They were sending positive cases back to them in various states. Thats not a focus.

Im still completely baffled over this practice. Hospitals are freaking empty why didnt they keep them there until they tested negative?