***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[jjjayb]

Originally Posted by Donger

That's the theory. The outbreak in China has been linked to the Wuhan Seafood Market:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huanan...olesale_Market

Lot's of yummy bushmeat sold there...

They do think that it was either direct eating of a bat, or zoonotic transmission from a bat-infected civet or pangolin.

And Wuhan just happens to be the location of a level 4 biolab. Just a coincidence though I've read.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by loochy

There's no way. It has to go to a lab as far as I know...but still, it lowers transmission risk.

Both China and South Korea used it. It keeps people from over whelming the existing health care system. Reassures a nervous public. Let’s the professionals know where the highest concentration of cases are located to help contain the virus.

[booger]

Originally Posted by loochy

Have you ever tried to bone while very sick? Things don't pop up like they should. I had a GF in college that wanted it so bad that she hopped on for a ride while I had a 102 fever from the flu. She didn't care. I don't recall if she ended up sick or not.

I bet she sprayed Lysol on your wiener first

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Both China and South Korea used it. It keeps people from over whelming the existing health care system. Reassures a nervous public. Let’s the professionals know where the highest concentration of cases are located to help contain the virus.

Speaking of that, why hasn't there been any effort to set up remote treatment centers specifically for COVID cases as to not overload the rest of the health care system?

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by loochy

Colorado is setting it up in select locations

its really stupid to not even consider drive through swab tests.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Both China and South Korea used it. It keeps people from over whelming the existing health care system. Reassures a nervous public. Let’s the professionals know where the highest concentration of cases are located to help contain the virus.

I meant "regarding immediate results". It's not like a flu or strep test they can run in a few minutes.


I don't disagree with setting up lots of mobile test places.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Speaking of that, why hasn't there been any effort to set up remote treatment centers specifically for COVID cases as to not overload the rest of the health care system?

leadership. This the kind of thing where government can make a difference. They just need to activate the emergency protocols.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Speaking of that, why hasn't there been any effort to set up remote treatment centers specifically for COVID cases as to not overload the rest of the health care system?

Like, build new hospitals?

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by loochy

I meant "regarding immediate results". It's not like a flu or strep test they can run in a few minutes.


I don't disagree with setting up lots of mobile test places.

they would still have to go to labs.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Speaking of that, why hasn't there been any effort to set up remote treatment centers specifically for COVID cases as to not overload the rest of the health care system?

From what I've read - most of the critical people need respirators, which is the biggest bottleneck. Setting up new beds ICU in a tent or whatever isn't that hard.

If you get this in the US you may be a lot better off getting it now vs. in a month from now.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

they would still have to go to labs.

S. Korea can test in a half hour.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

Like, build new hospitals?

they have a plan to set up field hospitals. Use hotel rooms, high school gyms etc. for the overflow. They have huge generators and O2 generating machines in reserve. Or at least they did when I served on the emergency board in KC.

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by O.city

Like, build new hospitals?

They still would have to be manned. JFC, if anyone should know this, it's you

[Beef Supreme]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

leadership. This the kind of thing where government can make a difference. They just need to activate the emergency protocols.

So who runs these new remote testing locations? Are medical professionals just sitting around on their asses with nothing to do right now? It seems like it would require more manpower to just add testing stations, not just to administer the tests but to build the damn testing stations.

I really don't see how the "government can make a difference" here. "Just activate the emergency protocols?" Yeah, I'm not buying it.

[Monticore]

My big problem is the more people tell me to not touch my face but more I want to, it's the whole penis thing all over again.